| Poster | Thread | tjservant
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I'm afraid the demons of hell would say about most of those graduating from Bible Intitutions, "Jesus I know, and Paul I know, but who are you?"
Sad, but I'm afraid it is true.
The power of the Gospel is from God. It will do it's work. We must do ours by preaching it.
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| | | 2008/3/4 23:20 | | repentcanada
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| | Re: Think twice before going to Bible College/University!!! | | If I may share: I was awaken this morning at 117am and could not go back to sleep (I have to get up at 400am). My time online these days is virtually nothing, so when I come online I just wuickly glance st the SI forums then move on. I have been praying lately as to whether or not I should go back to Bible college studies or secular college (correspondence), I find it utterly amazing I woke up and when i came online noticed this article immediately. Wow.
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| | 2008/3/5 3:24 | Profile | vasilef
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warriorofgod wrote:
Please respond to my rebuttal:
How are we supposed to teach in ministry if have no degree that makes us somewhat credible?
let me share a quote from brother Zac Poonen's testimony:
"If the Lord has determined to anoint you and to give you a ministry, no man can hinder Gods purpose for your life. He Himself will open the right door for you at the right time. You wont have to push your way through anywhere and you wont have to go around asking people to give you a ministry! And you will never have to complain that someone else hindered you from having a ministry. The Lord Jesus is the One Who has the key to every door of ministry (Rev.3:7,8) and He can open them for us just like the automatic doors that open by themselves as soon as we come near them. "
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| | 2008/3/5 4:20 | Profile | warriorofgod
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| | Re: | | Josef-urban,
I understand the arguement that you are posing but some of those people on that list still went to school. Like Moses who learned all the ways of the Eygyptians, which were very educated. And Samuel which was educated from his youth to be a prophet. What about the prophetic schools of the old testament? There were prophets that abounded in those days that went to these school to learn the ways of God.
"ALL taught in ministry without a degree to make them credible."
This is like saying all of them didn't have a Fubu jacket to keep themselves warm. Degrees were irrelevent to them because they did not deal with our culture today. God has chosen LEARNED prophets and UNLEARNED.
As I have said before, we do not need a degree to be annointed of God nor do we need one to validate our ministry BUT it is a necessary evil if we desire to grow and know the things of the Lord for the sake of ministry in our modern era of christendom.
Have we also forgotten about Charles Spurgeon, Whitfield, Edwards, Wesley, Calvin, Luther, Piper, Paul Washer, Macarthur, and many others with a degree?
I realize the list of men are many when it comes to those God has chosen to serve him without a degree but to negate this when it comes to ministry is to take away a tool that God has provided men for the work of the ministry.
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BUT it is a necessary evil if we desire to grow and know the things of the Lord for the sake of ministry in our modern era of christendom.
This is absolutely false, I am perplexed and and saddened to see someone write this. It takes absolutely nothing but the authority of Jesus Christ and the power of His Holy Spirit to walk into a back alley of the inner city at night and cast demons out of gang members and prostitutes, or to feed the homeless and proclaim the good news of the Kingdom of God to them, or to sell your belongings and hop on a plane to go minister in the third world, or even to belong to a local fellowship here in babylon and use your gifts and talents to minister to the body of Christ.
It is only a needed evil if we desire to take part in the clergy-laity, sunday morning-wednesday evening, religous institution of our day and exalt ourselves over the lay people (like the pope) by learning the deep things of a denominations theology so we can later become employed by them...
Now, as it has been written a few times here, if someone is positively called to go to cemetary or bible college then obey and go.
In Christ - Jim |
| | 2008/3/5 9:28 | | PreachParsly
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Please respond to my rebuttal:
How are we supposed to teach in ministry if have no degree that makes us somewhat credible?
I think the only reason people want to see a degree from another minister is because they don't know the minister. If church life was the way it was suppose to be, you wouldn't really have that problem. People in the body should know one another. One major problem is that congregations look for a pastor outside of the congregation- which 90% of the time it's someone they don't know. They hope that the degrees show they know God. It's much easier to look at a piece of paper than to spend quality (and quantity of) time with a person and find out if they really know God.
So am I saying that you can't hear or trust someone you haven't spent time with? No, but you should know someone who can refer them to you who you trust and who has spent time with them. This is what Paul did.
Col 4:10 Aristarchus my fellowprisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister's son to Barnabas, (touching whom ye received commandments: if he come unto you, receive him;)
If the Church truly functioned as a body, I don't think we would even have discussions like this- there would be no need would there?
It seems to me that in "Bible days" God functioned by calling men from inside the "congregation" rather than looking outside.
Act 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
Act 13:3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid [their] hands on them, they sent [them] away.
Act 15:22Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; [namely], Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Act 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I think the church was build on faith, trust, and knowing one another rather than educational credentials.
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| | 2008/3/5 12:02 | Profile | warriorofgod
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| | Re: | | Jim,
What of these men... Charles Spurgeon, Whitfield, Edwards, Wesley, Calvin, Luther, Piper, Paul Washer, Macarthur, and many others? Are these men failures? Are these men simply religious or are they ministers of the gospel? Your words are very harsh but they do not hold up the test of history. I understand the men you speak of but that does not take away the men who are apart of those "religious institutions of our day." Even the men that were apart of those institutions that were of old you should be thankful for since you would not have most of the doctrines you stand on today if it were not for the Holy Spirit using their education. |
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| | Re: | | My words stand perfectly in-line with the last 1800 years or so of institutional church history. As far as the men you mentioned, what about them? Nobody is condemning them? Who suggested they are failures?
I speak in general truths (historically and scripturally corroborated general truths) , not to condemn anyone. Take my words for what they, I am not implying anything more then what I have said.
In Christ - Jim |
| | 2008/3/5 17:01 | | warriorofgod
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