What do you think scripturally?

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R.Chandrasekaran

1 John 1:8, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

loveyouall asked

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Robert Wurtz II

There are 613 laws oout of 613 , 365 negative and 248 is positive.

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R.Chandrasekaran

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:12
And the law is not of faith:

Philippians 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Katy

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Robert Wurtz II

Hi everybody,

Please allow me to post a reply to this thread.

I read this thread and I would like to point out what brother Robertw said:

Quote"""If we say man could not possibly have kept God commands we run the risk of charging God with over charging man. Yet, we need to understand the purpose of the Law to begin with. It was never meant to be a means by which salvation could come. """"

Absolutely spot on brother, If we say that God's law is too heavy or impossible for us, we are in fact saying that God is unfair and unjust.

Well the bible named a lot of people who were blameless before God.

Genesis 17:1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless.


Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was blameless and upright, and one who feared God and shunned evil.


Luke 1:5-6 a certain priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah. His wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

and the list goes on....

does it mean that they never sinned?

not at all, for we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, but somehow these men were considered blameless before God, and that is what I desire for my life....


Now this is how I see it:

Can the Law save you?
No, the law can simply condenm you, if you so choose to break it.

For scriptures says:

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Acts 4:12 "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

Now we have declared that there is not other way for us to return to the father, except through the Son, Jesus Christ.

but One more thing has to be considered when we discuss our salvation.


John 14:15 " If you love Me, keep My commandments.

2 John 1:6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

And Jesus goes on saying.

John 15:10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

Jesus clearly says that we will abide in His love only if we keep His commandments but before that He said, as I have kept my Father's commandments.

because Jesus kept the Father commandments, does it mean that I do not have to keep them anymore?

This is what Paul said:

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

John also said this....

1 John 5:2-3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

In revelation the bible tells us that the dragon will be after these people

Revelation 12:17 - 13:1 and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

These are the saints.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.


One thing that we have to be very sure about is this.

what are the commandments of God?


I have one question for you all.

why did God think to be important to show the Ark of the Covenant in the heveanly tabernacle?

why is the ark there? what is inside of it?

Please do not come back to me saying that the ark of the covenant where the ten commandments were put inside was just a copy. because we know that everything in the earthly tabernacle was a copy of the one in heaven, so I would be very safe to say that water was inside the ark here, was also a copy of the one in heaven.

so, the question remains.

Is God law (Ten commandments) still inside the ark in heaven?

could I call it the Law of God?


I will finish with the words of David.

Psalm 40:8 I delight to do Your will, O my God, And Your law is within my heart."

Psalm 119:34 Give me understanding, and I shall keep Your law; Indeed, I shall observe it with my whole heart.

Please understand that Jesus is my all in all, there is no salvation in any other name, we cannot come back to the Father except through Him, but I will abide in His love and keep His commandments.

For thy Law of God, if fair, good and just and I will delight in it....

....from the 'Old':

Deut.30: 11-15 [i]"For this commandment which I command you this day is not too hard for you, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that you should say, `Who will go up for us to heaven, and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?' Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, `Who will go over the sea for us, and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?' But the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, so [b]that you can do it[/b]. "See, I have set before you this day [b]life and good, death and evil[/b]."[/i]

....and from the 'New':

Matthew 23: 1-3 [i]"Then said Jesus to the crowds and to his disciples, "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat; so [b]practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do[/b]; for they preach, but do not practice."[/i]


Blessings,
Stephen

(PS excellent post jayyou!)