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theopenlife wrote:
Compliments, thanks for your post. That's exactly the message most probably don't want to hear.

"You mean there's no insta-cure?" Not that I know of. Get off your computer, away from the TV, go outside. Seek to hang out with the same sex unless you're married. Be busy doing good. Apply always for more grace to be obedient. Confess to God immediately if and when you sin. If you burn, consider marriage. If you're married, do not defraud one another except to pray and fast for a season.

God, please help all of us to be pure.

2 Cor 6:1
Rom 6:11



Well said...their is no insta-quick cure. Macarthur once said, if you find you are being tempted, do something, you don't have to cast it out...go and count paper clips!! Basically don't make it complicated, but go and do something!!!

 2008/3/23 13:13









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1 Cor 9:22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some.

If I had heard the same quote about looking like the culture and acting like the culture said in the context of missions, I would have said that the person was going to be very effective as a missionary.



[b]A.W.Tozer:
“The fish that goes along with the current hasn’t any trouble with the current, but as soon as he starts the other way the current gets sore at him. Just as long as you go the way the wind blows, everybody will say you’re very fine and commend you for being deeply religious. If you decide to go God’s way instead of the way the wind blows they’ll say that your roof leaks or that something has happened to you that you’re a fanatic. You can go along with the times or you can be like Zechariah and Elizabeth and refuse to go along with the times. Personally I’ve decided that a long time ago. They say that if you don’t conform to the times and find a common ground for getting along with everybody that nobody will listen to you. The more I’m nonconformist the more people want to hear me.”
(Tozer on Worship and Entertainment, Selected Excerpts, p. 136)

“I’ve been told that I’ve missed the boat but I reply that I wasn’t trying to catch that boat. That boat and a lot of others like it can go on without me and I’ll be quite happy. We can conform to the religion of our times if we want to.

I weigh 145 pounds dripping wet, but I stand here to tell you that I’m a nonconformist, twice born, and a rebel and I will not conform to the times. Up to now I’ve been able to get a hearing and refused to conform to the times. But if a day ever comes when to conform to the times is the price you have to pay to be heard, then I’ll go out and start where I started before on the street corner and preach there. But I won’t conform to the times.

They say you are supposed to do it. They say, ‘Don’t you know we have the same message but it’s just different times we’re living in.’ I know the voice of the serpent when I hear it. The hiss of the serpent is in that and I recognize that. So we can either conform or we can withdraw from the whole business, and Paul says, ‘From such turn away.’”[/b]
(Tozer on Worship and Entertainment, Selected Excerpts, p. 136-137)

 2008/3/23 13:18









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theopenlife wrote:
Please be patient with my entry here. If any moderator sees fit to delete it, I understand completely. For those reading, please use discretion.

Ian Smith wrote,
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The impact that Mars Hill has had here in Seattle is nothing but positive



Ian, I also long for men like Spurgeon, Alleine, and Baxter to stand up with the message of the gospel. I commend any man for his courage to speak plainly of Christ, yet I cannot excuse needless flippancy. The prophets who were coarse did so by the inspiration of God, and with broken hearts. Jeremiah called the nation a whore, it is true, yet "his eyes were like fountains" as he gave the message God required of him.

It is not positive to display looseness of lips. It is child-like, avoidable, and especially unfit for pastors. The Spirit through Paul exhorts us to put away filthy speech, coarse jesting, and corrupt communications. In fact, it requires that these things not be found amongst us even once. (Eph 5)

It is one things to speak and be understood, and another to speak in garish ways designed to titillate and offend good sensibilities.

Paul became all a-moral things unto all people. He did not become im-moral for anyone.

In order to make myself clear, I have included a bit of commentary and a quote from one of Driscoll's latest books. Driscoll was not speaking off the cuff here - he edited and chose to publish what is represented. Decide for yourselves if this is appropriate.

----------Taken from another blog------------

Despite the many great quotes, there were a couple which I felt showed lack of discernment in theology, and equally troubling, several that which I felt were in poor taste, displaying the vulgarity for which Driscoll has formed something of a reputation. There are a few that are similar to this, using a pejorative term where a more tasteful one would have been, in my opinion, more appropriate: “Every one of them was older than me, a chronic masturbator, a porn addict, and banging weak-willed girls like a screen door in a stiff breeze…” (128). I also found this one quite disturbing:

"This was drilled home for me one night when the church phone in our house rang at some godforsaken hour when I’m not even a Christian, like 3:00 a.m. I answered it in a stupor, and on the other end was some college guy who was crying. I asked him what was wrong, and he said it was an emergency and he really need to talk to me. Trying to muster up my inner pastor, I sat down and tried to pretend I was concerned. I asked him what was wrong, and he rambled for a while about nothing, which usually means that a guy has sinned and is wasting time with dumb chitchat because he’s ashamed to just get to the point and confess. So I interrupted him blurting out, “It’s three a.m., so stop jerking me around. What you have done?”

“I masturbated,” he said.

“That’s it?” I said.

“Yes,” he replied. “Tonight I watched a porno and I masturbated.”

“Is the porno over?” I asked.

“Yes,” he said.

“Was it a good porno?” I asked.

He did not reply.

“Well, you’ve already watched the whole porno and tugged your tool, so what am I supposed to do?” I asked.

“I don’t know,” he said. “You are my pastor, so I thought that maybe you could pray for me.”

To be honest, I did not want to pray, so I just said the first thing that came to mind. “Jesus, thank you for not killing him for being a pervert. Amen,” I prayed.

“Alright, well you should sleep good now, so go to bed and don’t call me again tonight because I’m sleeping and you are making me angry,” I said.

“Well, what am I supposed to do now?” he asked.

“You need to stop watching porno and crying like a baby afterward and grow up, man. I don’t have time to be your accountability partner, so you need to be a man and nut up and take care of this yourself. A naked lady is good to look at, so get a job, get a wife, ask her to get naked, and look at her instead. Alright?” I said.

I cannot understand why he feels this type of quote is necessary. While this book is filled with confession, the one thing Driscoll does not seem to regret is his reputation as a loose canon and a man whose mouth is often filthy. I wonder if this will be the subject of another of his biblical studies. I hope it will be, for whatever he may feel he gains through this crudeness, it simply cannot be God-honoring. Scripture affirms many times that what comes out of the mouth is a sure indication of what is in the heart. Thus we have good reason to examine what we say and how we say it, for words are merely symptoms of what lies inside."

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[b]WOW!![/b] I have thought I heard somethings, but that was just insane!

 2008/3/23 13:25









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repentcanada wrote:
Brothers and Sisters,

You are about to be encouraged greatly! This message is a must hear from Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Church in Seattle, Washington.

The link is: http://www.marshillchurch.org/sermonseries/religionsaves/week_05.aspx


I've been quietly keeping up with this thread and today finally decided to watch this video. Now, I'm not going to be so quiet!!! repentcanada, you do not need to apologize for posting this. This was excellent. Just because others disagree doesn't mean the man is wrong or that God is not using Mark Driscoll. It’s the most well thought out, intellectual, informative, balanced Biblical sermon I’ve ever heard on sexual sin.

I believe that someone should have started a new thread on Driscoll so they could post all the negative they believe about him instead of on this thread because now people who need to hear this will read all this stuff instead of watching this much needed sermon. From what I've read in the past from the men on sermonindex, a LOT seem to have lust problems... this sermon video will help!!!! This sermon has one of THE best explanations of what paganism is that I have ever heard.

Compliments wrote about trusting Jesus and that is exactly what Driscoll has said if anyone had taken the time watch from beginning to end. How many that has posted a comment on "this" thread negative or other wise has actually watched this sermon?

brodav9 wrote: The christians today need more teaching about biblical ethics. This video is excellent to bring this about if others on here would let people watch it without dogging the preacher.

Here is some excerpts from the sermon:
-All sex outside of hetersexual marriage is sin.
-The real issue is: Who or What is your God?
-I cannot stress how important this issue is: Strip clubs are not strip clubs but pagan temples. Dirty websites are not dirty websites, they are digital pagan temples.
-It's participating in that which is not just wrong but at it's heart idolatrous.
-(On Romans 1.24) God made your bodies honorable but some of the things you do in it are dishonorable.
-Paul is saying here's the truth and here's the lie: The Truth - there's one God, He made us. We live to worship Him and enjoy His creation. The lie is that we are god and we worship the things that God made instead of the Maker. -There's an inversion in paganism and idolatry.
-It's not just a sexual issue, it's a worship issue.
-And that inversion ruins, destroys, undermines everthing that God intended, everything that God intended.
I do not believe that there was anything that he misrepresented Biblically. I sent this link to everyone in my address book, married or not. I am reminded by something my pastor said years ago, "It's a narrow way, not a narrowminded way."

Love in Christ,

 2008/3/23 16:27
tjservant
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How many that has posted a comment on "this" thread negative or other wise has actually watched this sermon?



I did.

I watched every second of it.

And after deciding to re-evaluate my thoughts and commits on this thread I have watched others as well. I have read interviews and other various samplings of his work.

No one has done anything wrong on this thread. I asked some questions about Driscol…I got answers. I then went to investigate for myself the reasoning behind the replies.

I have never condemned Mark Driscol. I too sent (favorable) emails about this message. I then investigated Mr. Driscol and sent additional emails telling what I had discovered.

I have never said God has not used Driscol. I have not read any post that tells anyone not to watch this video if they want.

I simply brought forth to the SI community my concerns for his “style”.

Have I done something wrong?


To you, Mark Driscol, and everyone else…please forgive me if it was wrong of me to voice my concerns.

Grace and peace


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tjservant wrote:
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How many that has posted a comment on "this" thread negative or other wise has actually watched this sermon?



I did.

I watched every second of it.

And after deciding to re-evaluate my thoughts and commits on this thread I have watched others as well. I have read interviews and other various samplings of his work.

No one has done anything wrong on this thread. I asked some questions about Driscol…I got answers. I then went to investigate for myself the reasoning behind the replies.

I have never condemned Mark Driscol. I too sent (favorable) emails about this message. I then investigated Mr. Driscol and sent additional emails telling what I had discovered.

I have never said God has not used Driscol. I have not read any post that tells anyone not to watch this video if they want.

I simply brought forth to the SI community my concerns for his “style”.

Have I done something wrong?


To you, Mark Driscol, and everyone else…please forgive me if it was wrong of me to voice my concerns.

Grace and peace



NO!! I can bet you money that others have brought up someone else that they don't agree with either or concerned about their style! We [b]ALL[/b] have done this.

Eph 5:3 "But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as [b]proper[/b] among saints; and there must be [b]no[/b] filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving thanks."

Eph.5:11 "Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even [b]expose[/b] them..; for it is disgraceful even to speak of the things which are done by them in secret."

We are to contend for the faith and expose teachings and behavior's that are not becoming of Christ. I would rather be over examine someone than just take what they say as doctrine. I have made some bad assessments and have learned and grown from them.

Brother, you didn't offend me.

 2008/3/23 17:58
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One of the stories that Leonard Ravenhill used to tell was about John Owen going and listening to the sermons of John Bunyan.

There was no one more eloquent in all of England than John Owen in his generation, and although we consider John Bunyan's speech as poetic now, he was considered vulgar in his generation. John Owen listened to Bunyan's sermons for the man's passion, for the man's message, not for the cut of his words.

When Moody preached in Britain thousands thronged to hear an uneducated shoe salesman preach the Gospel, but Moody was a Virgil compared with Sam P Jones, the Methodist from Georgia of whom Moody once wrote:

"God has put into your hands the sledge hammer with which to shatter the formalism of the Church and batter down the strongholds of sin, and He is helping you mightily to use it. God bless you."

Vulgar speech is often employed by great men of God to break down formalism and rigid religious types.

Honestly, the reason I appreciate Mark Driscol is because he is willing to say what everyone is thinking. It is so hypocritical, I have heard so many Christian men complain about the lack of honest preaching, and when they hear someone who is honest, in-your-face honest, they recoil. It's one thing to talk about hearing an annointed preacher, but when it hurts our ears we don't want to hear it any more.

We need more Bunyans, Moodys, Jones, Driscols... the church sorely needs men who will preach against sin, who will not hold back the artilary barrage.

It's funny, Mark Driscol speaks vulgar, but he speaks the Gospel, he preaches a complete Gospel in almost every one of the messages I've heard him speak, more than any other modern preacher I've ever heard... and even though he is offensive he fills the room every week, he fills 20 rooms every week. We need more honest preaching against sin, more honest preaching of the Gospel, we need more men like Mark Driscol.


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Pardon me but in my humble opinion the behavior we need to be judging in preachers is lying and the works of the flesh. Is it possible that by adding "style of language" to the mix that we are indeed "adding" to Scripture????

 2008/3/24 5:53









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[url=http://stevenjcamp.blogspot.com/2008/02/driscoll-marks-hill-church-unbiblical.html]Camponthis/Mark Driscoll[/url]

Steve Camp has posted an article about Mark Driscoll's speech and style i reference to a book he wrote and a critique by Tim Challies. Its a good read.

 2008/3/24 7:51
tjservant
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Pardon me but in my humble opinion the behavior we need to be judging in preachers is lying and the works of the flesh. Is it possible that by adding "style of language" to the mix that we are indeed "adding" to Scripture????



Language is only one aspect of his style. Not sure where you got that quote. I would also not call voicing concern…judgment.


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