Katy-did said:.....

[color=003300]Sharon, why all the pretentiousness with this Yeshua Ha Maschiachstuff? do you think it gives you more power or authority or something ? I'm not impressed by it, and never was!!!! Sounds Harsh Huh! But I can see through all the pretentiousness a *void* of the true **Gospel**.No matter how many names you know God by.... [/color]

[b]That's your opinion Katy-did. [/b]

[b][size=medium] As for me ... I know in Whom I have believed. [/b][/size]

[b] Thankyou![/b]

Jesus Christ is Lord God Almighty



1 Corinthians 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Acts 17:27-29
27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Colossians 3
1If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;


Strider100, First of all, welcome to SI. I see you are new here.

And Yes, I apologize, Sharon did say Jesus is the anointed one....yet denies the Deity Of Jesus Christ, so how can this *anointed one* atone for anyone's sin?

If she see's him only as a man, and doesn't believe she is forgiven of sin, but has to wait until judgment day to see if " HER WORKS?" are good enough????? Hummmmmm! Doesn't sound like much of a testimony to me at all.

Edited:
Has anyone told you, you are a New Creation in Christ...no longer Jew or Gentile?

So to call oneself a Messianic Jew I find rather odd. Even Jews who deny Jesus Christ as the son of God call themselves Messianic Jews, because they are STILL waiting for the Messiah, rejecting Jesus Christ as the Messiah. and many Messianic Jews...real Jews, who believe as Sharon does, that Jesus is not God, still practice the Law, don't believe in the Complete Atonement, laid right up at the alter in Heaven itself.

So, much like the Catholics, you do not believe in the **Finished work of Christ** either.?????

So, we still have "ISSUES" here.

Sharon has been with us a while and much of this conversation goes back to other threads.

She and I have had several conversations, and she knows where I stand on these issues of her wanting to be a Jew rather then a *Christian*

The Disciples...(((followers of Jesus Christ))) were first called *Christians*...followers of CHRIST, not Messianic Jews.

Abel,Job, Enoch, Noah etc, were not Messianic Jew either, but put their faith in the coming redeemer.. They also knew whom they believed.

Love in Christ
Katy

Little Gift siad: ... [color=003300] Merely knowing a name and thinking that gives a right to anything is more akin to witchcraft (ie knowing the name of a deity or demon in order to be able to control it - or perhaps to impress in this case?) [/color]

[b] [size=medium]Little Gift, are you accusing me of witchcraft or just pretentiousness, or both? [/b][/size]

Or are you simply degrading and attacking my character ?

Sharon

Katy-did accused:
[i]"So, much like the Catholics, you do not believe in the **Finished work of Christ**.
She and I have had several conversations, and she knows where I stand on these issues of her wanting to be a Jew rather then a *Christian*"[/i]

Katy-did, I am wondering when you will stop accusing me of things?

[b]For the record, Katy-did: I am not 'much like the Catholics' at all, I have NEVER said to you or anyone else that I want to be a JEW, and I do believe in the "Finished work of Christ".[/b]

[color=660000]I am dumb-founded by the list of accusations, 'witchcraft (from LittleGift), pretentiousness, like a Catholic, wanna be a Jew, void of the Gospel, not trusting in the finished work of Christ'....[/color]

Katy-did - [i]really??[/i]

Sharon

Sharon, So sorry you find yourself dumbfounded, but by your own admitting, you do not believe in the Deity of Jesus Christ. You have been accused of this over and over, and have said NOTHING in your defense here. Why? Without this absolute TRUTH everything you say is suspect.

Can you say...Jesus Christ is LORD?

Do you believe you have been sanctified once and for all through the Body of Christ? Hebrews 10.

And If you are waiting until Judgment day to see if perchance you will be given eternal life...YOU DO NOT believe in the Finished work of Christ.

These accusations are by your own testimony.

Are you Born Again. Have you identified with Jesus Christ in death and resurrection Life? Has the Spirit of the Life of Jesus Christ SET YOU FREE from the Law of Sin and Death?...His Risen Life.....the Jesus we no longer see after the flesh, but the Glorified Christ sitting at the Right hand of the Father? Have you been raised up together with Him, seated with Him in Heavenly Places? Are you COMPLETE in Him?

Do you live by Grace or the Law.

Paul said.. I am crucified with Christ….no longer I but Christ in me, and the life that I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the only begotten son who loved me and gave Himself for me…I DO NOT MAKE VOID THE GRACE OF GOD, for if RIGHTEOUSNESS come by KEEPING THE LAW, Christ died in vain.


What does Galatians 2:20&21 mean to you.

Do you KNOW Jesus Christ?

Sharon, no one is trying to be mean here, however to preach ANOTHER JESUS will offend many believers here. If your Jesus isn't God, you are preaching another Jesus.

Now er could all take Krispy's lead, and not talk to you at all, and when you carry on because you are confronted, I will most definitely follow suit!

Love in Christ
Katy

Wildbranch,

This topic seems to have gone off topic. I've just read yr first post on Spurgeon. Very interesting and telling point he makes.

Quote "...the reason why people become Hyper-Calvinists and Antinomians, is because some, who profess to be Calvinists, often keep back part of the truth, and do not, as Paul did, "declare all the counsel of God"; they select certain parts of Scripture, where their own particular views are taught, and pass by other aspects of God's truth. Such preachers as John Newton, and in later times, your own Christmas Evans, were men who preached the whole truth of God; they kept back nothing that God has revealed; and, as the result of their preaching, Antinomianism could not find a foot-hold anywhere." (Charles Spurgeon, Gospel of Sovereign Grace). Unquote.

It seems that Spurgeon understood the saving grace of God without rejecting the 'other aspects', as he puts it, of God's word. Even a preliminary reading of the works of John Newton and many other soldiers such as Spurgeon and Wesley will show that we have gone offtrack into rabid antinomianism.

Clearly we have something to learn here.

I am very encouraged by the fortitude you seem to exhibit in the face of persecution. Shalom

Stephen

2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

wildbranch wrote:

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Christiaan