After reading my reply to ejg I just wanted to clarify. I do not think that Dr Dobson is a joke. This is a serious matter as he and other Christian leaders influence millions of people, they are not merely private citizens. What I was agreeing with, and not the spirit of it but the words, were the comments about Pharisees and Saducees. I might add that I know many fine upstanding Pharisees, whom I like, but Pharisees none the less. These of course are my observations. I have been wrong before and I will be wrong again. What I will say is that I am fully convinced.