| Poster | Thread | destinysweet
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| | Re: | | I am reminded of what happened to so many who were following Him after hearing this hard saying...they turned away. These had no faith to follow..they could not wrap their minds around it. How fortunate for these disciples who decided to stay..what was the option they queried..He was the real thing and they knew it ..they didn't understand their coming redemption but followed without understanding. Our faith in Him as Messiah is founded upon His Blood shed for us. He says those of us who believe in Him who sent Him shall not come into judgement..(John 5:26)What is it we need to believe concerning His Blood in particular?
Hebrews 8 and 9 is full of insight as to the fact that there was need to bring a more exellent ministry..New Covenant..faultless unlike the old.Pure this blood of Christ..the old being obsolete was ready to vanish away 2000 yrs ago...where does that leave it now?
The letter of the law(old)kills
The spirit of the law of heaven produces life.
Jesus was(is) always taking their ideas about the kingdom (and the lesser laws) and turning them upside down...it is not suprising that due to what His blood actually is...God's blood..that He would use this (what has bought us our redemption)to seperate those who would follow Him by faith from those who would adhere to the law and lean on their own understanding...those who remained chose to believe Him even though they did noy have the heavenly wisdom to understand what He meant. Earthly wisdom in comparison is demonic at worst and sophomoronic at best.
If He could take upon Himself..His perfect pure Self.. all of our wickedness..delivering us from all curses by becoming all curses..He became sin it is written...He had to pull it into Himself and bear it,drink it into Himself ...it couldn't just enter Him on it's own...and then face the horror we all would have had to face ,this seperation from God the Father...and this act of divine intercession has proven to be the one thing of power to deliver us from darkness and tranfer us into the kingdom of God...this Blood the one thing that gives us the power to become the sons of God. This does offend the darkness..yes it truly does! Redemption when understood more fully reveals just how this particular blood ,the Blood of Jesus the Christ, simply does not fall into the same category as any other blood there ever was or ever will be. This Blood is Life!
If He could drink the cup of my defiled rebellion..suffer the punishment of the death I've deserved,I consider it an honor to drink His Blood...may you ...dear David.. find peace in this offering as well.
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|  2007/12/30 2:05 | Profile |
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psalm1 wrote:
I just wanted to clarify something.
My question seems rhetorical in that of course he ment what he said but my human mind says "run that by me again"
I am not asking what he said or what did he mean.
I am asking if he meant what he said.
But we all should know he did in fact mean what he said.
This is the dillema as i see it......this concept is heretical. To drink blood.
Jesus instead of modifying his statement says "does this offend you?"
Thereby adding what seems to me to be a departure from any hope of this being a parable or analogy.
When he said"anyone having put his hand to the plow and looking back, is not worthy to be my disciple."......This is impossible to misinterpret
There has to be a parralel truth some where doesnt there?
David
Hi David
I remember running around in mental circles trying to understand the teaching of a particular man of God. Logically much of it didn't seem to make sense, and I wasted a lot of time trying to grasp it, even though recognising that God was speaking through this man.
Like all teachers he was by no means infallible, but he did speak in the Spirit, so it was safe to receive the teaching this way.
Then a friend said, "Listen with your [i]spirit[/i] instead of your mind".
I thought, "I have no idea how to do that, but I'll give it a try anyway!"
So I did, and gradually, (over months, if not a few years), things began to make more sense to my mind also. The truth behind the words was received spiritually first, then began to percolate to muy mind.
Have you ever been aware that you understand and know something spiritually that your mind can't yet grasp? If so you will know what I mean.
In order to understand what Jesus means we have to listen with our spirit.
As He said.[color=990000]"the words that [i][b]I[/b][/i] speak to you are spirit and life"[/color], not the words on the page alone.
Stop trying to analyse and relax! Just let the Word feed you, instead of studying the list of ingredients on the package!
That's always been my tendency too, and its very difficult to get out of that analytical habit of mind, but with the Lord it's possible.
That doesn't mean abdicating reason and mental faculties of course, just to begin to hear and function with your spirit more, in which, through new birth, dwells His Spirit.
For practice you could try listening to or reading some of Art Katz teachings, http://www.benisrael.org/ also here on SI. Some of the things he says can only be really understood spiritually too.
Blessings
Jeannette
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| | 2007/12/30 7:16 | | psalm1
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| | Re: | | Littlegift, thank you and I promise to do better.
Have you read the passover story in ex.?
I reread that and was wondering if they still apply the blood to the door post?
This was actually my starting place on the blood subject.
When Jesus said eat my flesh and drink my blood he was referring to passover.[last supper]
This I think we all understand.
The drink blood part seems elusive to me.
If you examine the eat flesh part it fits nice and neat. They ate the passover lamb.
But the blood was forbidden.
They did however do something special with the blood.
Have you noticed that it forms a cross?
Types and shadows are somehow necessary players in Gods unveiling.He wants us to see hidden treasures in his word.[he interpreted the parables only to the disciples] The religious and unbelieving stayed in the dark.
This is Gods added intrigue in our walk.
He hides things and sometimes hides himself.
The "drink my blood" statement appears to lack a type-antitype .
I kinda figured someone here has looked into this.
Maybe it is not the right time to explore it?
Concerning illuminaation....yes I agree if we are taught without the Holy Spirit we remain untaught.
It is spirit to spirit.
Our minds cannot cmprehend.....
The other side of that coin is......Ever seen a brain dead person follow the Lord?
A sound mind evidently comes into play at some point?
[I think I need help in both realms!!!] LOL
David |
| | 2007/12/30 10:34 | Profile |
| | Re: | | Hi David, sorry to be so long responding...
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psalm1 wrote:
Littlegift, thank you and I promise to do better.
You make me sound like a schoolmarm writing "could do better" on a child's report :lol:
I was only giving advice I need myself, understanding from personal failures how difficult it is to "listen with the spirit".
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Have you read the passover story in ex.?
I reread that and was wondering if they still apply the blood to the door post?
I don't think there are any Jewish blood sacrifices now. Although they could in theory still smear the blood, because the Passover lamb was the only sacrifice that didn't have to be made at the Temple.
But I think they just have a lamb shank bone - as a reminder - in modern Jewish passover meals.
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This was actually my starting place on the blood subject.
When Jesus said eat my flesh and drink my blood he was referring to passover.[last supper]
This I think we all understand.
The drink blood part seems elusive to me.
If you examine the eat flesh part it fits nice and neat. They ate the passover lamb.
But the blood was forbidden.
They did however do something special with the blood.
Have you noticed that it forms a cross?
How do you mean, forms a cross? Door posts and lintel isn't in a cross shape...
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Types and shadows are somehow necessary players in Gods unveiling. He wants us to see hidden treasures in his word.[he interpreted the parables only to the disciples] The religious and unbelieving stayed in the dark.
This is Gods added intrigue in our walk.
He hides things and sometimes hides himself.
The "drink my blood" statement appears to lack a type-antitype .
I kinda figured someone here has looked into this.
Maybe it is not the right time to explore it?
Not quite sure what you want to explore, Brother. :-? At least not what hasn't been covered here already. What sort of type-antitype did you have in mind?
Re types and illustrations have you noticed the connection between the Passover and the Crucifixion in John 19:36?
Exodus 12:46 (my emphasis)
[color=990000]46 In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; [b]neither shall ye break a bone thereof[/b].[/color]
John 19 [color=990000]32 Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
36 [b]For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken[/b].[/color]
[In John, the Exodus verse isn't quoted word for word - unless this is the Septuagint version of Exodus (Greek OT translation that many Jews of the time used) - but obviousy refers to this ordinance re the Passover lamb]
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Concerning illumination....yes I agree if we are taught without the Holy Spirit we remain untaught.
It is spirit to spirit.
Our minds cannot cmprehend.....
The other side of that coin is......Ever seen a brain dead person follow the Lord?
A sound mind evidently comes into play at some point?
[I think I need help in both realms!!!] LOL
Me too, (I'm menopausal, which affects one's concentration and memory somewhat - you men wouldn't understand, unless you have a wife of that age group!)
However, I do know from working with people with dementia (caused by progressive brain damage) that a person's [i]spirit[/i] can respond even when the mind isn't functioning properly.
I've seen it in those who were extremely confused, and could neither speak clearly. One lovely old gent didn't speak at all, or understand what was said to him; but he absolutely [i]beamed[/i] when I spoke to other staff about how much Jesus meant to me.
Love in Him
Jeannette |
| | 2008/1/2 13:42 | | psalm1
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| | Re: | | I got stuck on that phrase "i will do better" raising my kids.
They would tell me "I'm sorry" so many times it started to be a cliche'.
I Began to do it myself as an example to my children.
Anyway ,I know it seems kinda preschool but I feel humbled when I say it so now i do it before the Lord more than any thing else.
When my children would tell me that it really, really warmed my heart.
Wouldnt it be funny if it caught on here and everyone got frustrated with it?....Just kidding!
David |
| | 2008/1/2 15:24 | Profile | psalm1
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| | Re: | | After many days of prayerfully searching the scriptures and meditating on this statement of Jesus....It just hit me what this meant 'to drink my blood'.
Its like we have been so used to associating the wine with the blood,that the obvious becomes elusive!
What was being said was 'there is going to be a CHANGE in the blood.
The blood you formerly knew as acceptable will soon be totally unacceptable.
My blood will not be caught in a basin to be used on a earthly temple.
my blood will be drank by the earth.
The earth will not reject my blood.
The earth will obediently drink my blood.
[accept my blood]
Now man is required to drink [accept] my blood.
He was specifically referring to the priesthood, the change of sacrifice, and the requirement of God to accept [drink] this new sacrifice.
The main clue was Isa 49;26
David |
| | 2008/1/2 20:07 | Profile |
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psalm1 wrote:
After many days of prayerfully searching the scriptures and meditating on this statement of Jesus....It just hit me what this meant 'to drink my blood'.
Its like we have been so used to associating the wine with the blood,that the obvious becomes elusive!
What was being said was 'there is going to be a CHANGE in the blood.
The blood you formerly knew as acceptable will soon be totally unacceptable.
My blood will not be caught in a basin to be used on a earthly temple.
my blood will be drank by the earth.
The earth will not reject my blood.
The earth will obediently drink my blood.
[accept my blood]
Now man is required to drink [accept] my blood.
He was specifically referring to the priesthood, the change of sacrifice, and the requirement of God to accept [drink] this new sacrifice.
The main clue was Isa 49;26
David
Wow! Will have to look this up! |
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