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 Re: P.E.A.C.E.

For anyone who wants to get familiar with the "Peace Plan" mentioned above, and that we'll be hearing much more of in the days ahead - one could start with the February 2007 Newsletter.

http://www.discernment-ministries.org/HerescopeArchives.htm

 2007/12/22 14:02









 Re: The Emerging Merger


[b]BRIAN MCLAREN – ‘EVERYTHING MUST CHANGE’: JESUS’ SECOND COMING (PART 2)[/b]

Chris Rosebrough of Extreme Theology has posted the second part of his review of “Everything Must Change” the new book by Brian McLaren. Part two looks at Brian McLaren’s rejection of the historic doctrine of Christ’s Second Coming.

Said Rosebrough:

Jesus’ return in glory has been the hope of Christians for two millennia. But we learn in “Everything Must Change” that this is NOT Brian McLaren’s hope at all!
Brian McLaren has re-imagined and re-crafted a kinder and gentler Jesus who WOULD NEVER return to judge the world and forcefully establish His Kingdom on Earth. The “Jesus” that McLaren has created is more like Ghandi. McLaren’s “Jesus” works by subverting Imperialism through the use of non-violence and would never utilize the methods of Imperialism to establish his own kingdom.
You can read Part Two of Rosebrough’s article [url=http://www.extremetheology.com/2007/10/mclarens-everyt.html]here[/url].

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[b]ROGER OAKLAND’S “FAITH UNDONE” REVIEWED BY GARY GILLEY[/b]
The back cover of [i]Faith Undone[/i] by Roger Oakland asks:

Is the emerging church movement just another passing fad, a more contemporary approach to church, or the discontent grumblings of young people looking for answers? In fact it is much broader and is influencing Christianity to a significant degree. Grounded in a centuries-old mystical approach, this movement is powerful yet highly deceptive, and it draws its energy from practices and experiences that are foreign to biblical Christianity.
The path the emerging church is taking is leading right into the arms of an interfaith perspective that has prophetically profound ramifications. It is indeed a new way of being Christians, and in every conceivable manner, it is striving to bring about a new reformation. Without a doubt, it will have an impact on all churches in the Western world and far beyond. For behind this new kind of church is a well-designed strategy and maneuver by the prince of this world, the enemy of our souls, to literally take apart the faith of millions—it will be nothing less than faith undone.
Dr. Gary Gilley of Southern View Chapel begins his look at Oakland's book about the emerging church by informing us that:

Roger Oakland has provided for God’s people a needed and valuable exposé of the emergent church movement. This is the most complete and up-to-date treatment of this complex and rapidly changing “conversation” (as adherents like to call it).
Faith Undone is extremely valuable on many fronts: First, we are given the history and roots of the movement. While officially of recent vintage, the roots go back many years to people like Peter Drucker along with Bob Buford and his Leadership Network.
You can read Gilley’s full review of Roger Oakland’s book, which exposes—among other things—the neo-liberalism of the emerging church [url=http://www.svchapel.org/Resources/BookReviews/book_reviews.asp?ID=363]here[/url].

See also:

John MacArthur: The Emergent Church is a Form of Paganism

The Emerging Church: Faith Undone

EMERGENT CHURCH: THE EMERGING CULT

@ http://www.apprising.org/archives/emergent_church/index.html

 2007/12/24 15:08
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 Re: Emerging church

Wow! I had heard different things about reviving catholicism and beer drinking prayer meetings but this has been a neat thread. Thanks for the time spent researching. I have been trying the past few years to wean myself from so many outside resources and leaning more on the wisdom that comes from discerning the times by the witness of the Spirit of true and false. God tends to put things in my way that I do need to be aware of, so again thanks. Love in Christ, Barry


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Barry Voss

 2007/12/24 22:24Profile
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 Re: all the above

Sis. Annie, Diane and all,

Thanks again for all the research and the warnings. I have copied the url's for the research and will try to follow up ASAP for the sake of those who are being bombasted by this junk... as one of the post's said, however, "there is nothing new under the sun"... it is the same ole "ye shall be as God" and it will always be that until the ONE finally arrives (and it is probably far closer than we can imagine) who has out-evolved, transcended further, or "whatever"... the mahdi or a smushbug of all the "best"... and I am not making light of the plight...

I believe that the safest route for all of us, however, is to try to know as much as we can possibly know about the REAL, and to teach and to exemplify, and pray down, or pray through to, or the term that is familiar in your neck of the woods, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, so that the counterfeit will stand out so very clearly for what it is...

Bless all of you, and thank God for this precious site in which to find so many sincere seekers for the truth...

Clint


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 2007/12/25 2:27Profile









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Hi Barry. Thank you for the encouragement. This topic is blowing our minds too. Never thought that silly Purpose Driven Drivel would branch in the World Governance and the one world religion.

Remembering back three decades ago, we'd discuss the one world gov & religion and saw it as something way far down the road.
Like you said, "Wow!" it's here. At least the foundation is laid and the building has definitely started. At least have a finished first floor now.

On the other side of the coin, the good sites are also merging against this. Every site posted on this thread work together and post each other's articles. Amazing!
They may be in the minority and unfortunately, are not viewed as much as they should or need to be, but nonetheless, there IS a voice of sanity and reason out there - Praise The LORD.

I noticed you mention children. A good site that been already listed on this thread is http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles.html .

This couple have the greatest burden for children I've seen. Reading children's books, viewing recent movies, games, video games, homeschool issues, etc. etc.. Quite a heart for protecting children.

I hope in 2008, the interest in discernment escalates. Amen. That is my prayer.
It certainly is much needed - as the Word of GOD warns us.

Thank you for your contributions and may HE lead and guide you in all things and bless your family with His Peace.
His Love.

 2007/12/25 2:28









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Hi Brother Clint. I agree with you whole-heartedly.

At the same time, I'm a "server" by nature. I love to feed the hungry, care for the sick, etc. etc..

Had I not been blessed by these links, I could have easily been caught up with these movements, because for one, they have an "anti-torture" movement besides.

Also, because of these links, I just found out that one of the many Sunday schools that are offered at my Church, has already introduced Willowcreek material, that is leading to this "Networking" and I know the Pastor of Education doesn't know [i]where[/i] this Networking is leading up to.

They started with the book on "testing yourself to see what gifts you have".
Now they're on the Network book. Researching all of those links was not something I chose to do with my life, but felt "compelled". Now, very grateful that the Spirit led me that way.
I meet more folks each day that think this is only about some Purpose Driven Something or Nuther.
That's far from the case.

Yes, the Spirit of Truth, has led me to these sites when I first got a computer and I thank Jesus for it. We used to have to read all of these books ourselves to know all of what they were promoting, including gobs of Global Politics stuff. Thank GOD for this internet - for now.

I'm trying to put enough on here for those who don't have the time to do the researching. Just enough to catch buzz words or whatever that may slip into their own Fellowships.

This all IS leading to the one world religion/government - so I'd say, it's important enough for me to know about as much as I can.
It's a very subtle thing, appealing to our desire to help the world.
We can help the world without being Networked to this new "initiative".

Thank you also for loving Him Who is The Truth.
GOD Bless.

 2007/12/25 2:44









 ... Connect the dots ...


[b]There [i]will[/i] be a time of peace. Some call it the first half of anti-Christ's reign and again, also before "sudden destruction comes".

The Word also tells us, that the world will "come together" under a false religion, (a world religion) and that this false religion will be very politically involved ..... "The whore that rides the beast."

It is something we don't like to discuss or think about - but it is happening as we speak. This Merger we're seeing of the Religious and Political goes on full-steam-ahead, while we make "other plans". We aren't seeing it prophetically - but only as another discussion about fringe groups.

A personal "drawing near to God" is an absolute essential, with the coming of these deceptions and many ministries fear that those who are seeking some large move of God will be sucked into this Emergent Movement when it enters it's "quantum leap".

It has already drawn in most of the Apostle & Prophets movements and others who's eschatology sees the world coming to some Kingdom Peace & Restoration 'before' the Coming of Christ.

Jesus stated plainly, that hallmark sign of "those days" - will be a great falling away. And the true Saints will be persecuted by the false church.

Be wise as serpents and as harmless as doves.

The Global Initiative [i]is[/i] for a new world order and is brought to you by "the church" merged with "governance" -[/b]

Emergent leader Brian McLaren, in his book The Secret Message of Jesus (W Publ. Group, 2006) is rife with examples. Remarks like:

"God's conspiracy seeks to overturn the world as it is so that a new world can emerge." (p. 143)

"God was launching a new world order, a new world, a new creation." (p. 31)

"A new day is coming--a new earth, a new world order, a new reality, a new realm--in short, a new kingdom." (p. 23)

"What is Jesus' secret message reveals a secret plan? What if he didn't come to start a new religion--but rather to start a political, social, religious, artistic, economic, intellectual, and spiritual revolution that would give birth to a new world?" (p. 4)

Rick Warren Quote:

“We have what we call our ‘20/20 vision’—10 million churches with 100 million small groups mobilizing 1 billion disciples for the PEACE Plan by the year 2020. . . .

[b][url=http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/?p=106]**Rick Warren, Evangelicals, Invite Muslims to Love God Together**[/url][/b]

[i]"Christian leaders urged for an interfaith dialogue that moves beyond “polite” ecumenical talks between selected leaders. Instead, leaders of both faiths should hold dialogues to build relations that will “reshape” the two communities to “genuinely reflect our common love for God and for one another,” the Christian letter stated.“Given the deep fissures in the relations between Christians and Muslims today, the task before us is daunting. And the stakes are great. The future of the world depends on our ability as Christians and Muslims to live together in peace,” the letter added. “If we fail to make every effort to make peace and come together in harmony you correctly remind us that ‘our eternal souls’ are at stake as well.

The letter’s main emphasis is the “absolutely central” commonality between both religions: love of God and love of neighbor.

Other signers of the letter include Miroslav Volf, founder and director of the Yale Center for Faith and Culture; Dr. Martin Accad, academic dean of the Arab Baptist Theological Seminary (Lebanon); Robert E. Cooley, president emeritus of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary; Harvey Cox, Hollis professor of Divinity at Harvard Divinity School; and Bill Hybels, founder and senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church."[/i]

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Those signing the Christian/Muslim pact for peace on earth last month.

Rick Warren (Southern Baptist, Sr. pastor Saddleback)
Bill Hybels (Willow Creek Association)
Leith Anderson (head of NAE and Wooddale Church)
Northwest University (Washington, AOG)
Fuller Seminary
Biola University
Northwest University
David Yonggi Cho (Korea)
Bethel College
Bethel University
Makoto Fujimura, Artist (Focus on the Family, The Truth Project)
YWAM
Eastern Mennonite Mission
Wheaton College
Emergent Village
Assemblies of God
First Presbyterian- Vintage Faith Church, Santa Cruz, CA
World Vision
Taylor University
ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church of America)
Brian McLaren
Christianity Today
The Christian Century
Tyndale Seminary
Vineyard USA
Robert Schuller (Crystal Cathedral)
Regent College (BC)
The Navigators
Jim Wallis (Sojourners)"
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[b]Fact:[/b] Rupert Murdoch is one the world’s greatest distributors of pornography. Yet, he is one of the speakers for Robert Schuller’s upcoming [url=http://www.rethinkconference.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=3&Itemid=14]Rethink Conference.[/url] :-(

Why on Earth should Christ’s church learn to “rethink itself” in light of the advice offered by the world’s greatest pornographer? That is just as inappropriate as asking Larry Flint to come speak to your church’s women’s group.

Fact is, Murdoch has nothing to say to Christ’s church. But, the church has something to say to Rupert Murdoch (and his pastor). That message is “repent”!

http://christianresearchnetwork.com/?m=200710



 2007/12/26 14:37
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 Re:

I am currently reading Roger Oakland's book, Faith Undone. Everything that has been brought up here is in the book. Much of it comes from the influence of Peter Drucker who was well known for his work in writing self-help books for business and industry.

The underlying theme of this movement is the setting aside of the Scriptures in part, so that the church can explore the mystical worship that has long been practiced in the Catholic church.


Wherever or whenever any....any Scripture is dismissed as unimportant, there comes an opening for false teachings and doctrines.

When ever you are told that you do not need to know or spend time in certain parts of Scripture, you are being misled, just like Satan misled Adam and Eve.

In Christ
Jeff


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 2007/12/26 14:44Profile









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That's great brother Jeff. Would like to hear more as you go along or finish. I've only gotten excerpts from his site and others, but would like to hear what you've seen through it.

Thank you and a Blessed new year to you.

 2007/12/26 19:39









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Wanted to leave one more link.

www.deceptioninthechurch.com


As with all the other links on this thread, there's a Search Engine in them, where one can type in a name or topics and have answers to any questions arising about them.


In the Gospels and the last book of the Bible, Jesus commanded we "watch" and "be sober".
The enemy desperately wants to [i]distract[/i] us from doing that.

This thread's contents can be watched, in the sense that, those mentioned on it can be watched as to who they are meeting with and are doing, both in the religious arena and political.


It's forming by merging and I don't know how to say it any better than that.



Lord & Christ, Jesus Bless!

 2007/12/27 17:34





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