--- Hey bro Chris ...

Forgive me :-D if i've come across a bit terse, but i have to admit i'm tired ... Even tho i know i probably shouldn't be as so many i know point out, God knows i am and that presently i'm kinda on a roller-coaster of some emotion here so much to the point that i was recently asked, "You really do believe this 2007 thing don't you" ? ... i wanted to spew, "Nahhh, i've just been excercising in this long weirdness for kicks" - but of course i didn't ---


You wrote;
"I think that you may have misunderstood the essence of my post. I didn’t mean to say that God doesn’t use the terrible situations in this world to bring people unto Himself. Rather, I meant to convey that disaster and calamity often brings about a temporary “conversion.” Once the storm dies down, people turn back to their old ways. It makes one question the validity of such a “conversion” that is motivated solely by fear or pain."


--- OK ... but there you go again with that broad generalization "people" ... i firmly believe that
perhaps many, if not most may revert, but some stick ... But my major point was not so much God somehow marginally using terrible situations in getting our attention but actually orchestrating them as He did with Israel and as pointed out in the posted vision in reference to Babylon ... i guess where we don't see eye to eye is that you're focused on the lasting effects on folk in such acts of God, while my focus is on why God has to do such things in the first place ... By your reasoning such acts of God are unprofitable but that's impossible because God says His words, or for that matter anything He does, never returns to Him void ---


You wrote;
"I didn’t post my comment with your prophecy in mind. Imagine if the prophecy that you and Ironman have made public actually came to pass. Will people stand and wonder what “sin” has caused the event (John 9)? I think that we often fail to realize that even God’s JUDGMENT is meant to bring about the work of God and lead people back unto Him.


--- i think the right people will, those who are supposed to, and amen on your latter statement that's exactly what His judgment is meant to do, and is precisely the message i know bro Ironman and myself have carried, "Repent pro-actively, instead of ra-actively", but then another thing it seems that so many of God's folk are too unaware of is that we think we're all pretty swell in God's eyes, and haven't a clue as to how poor, dumb, blind and naked we are, and i think much of the reason being is that we're not moving ever closer to the fire and light that exposes just how wretched we really are ... i once thought that more i surrendered and submitted myself before Him the better i would feel about my worthiness, man was i wrong for the closer i get the more i understand my filth and appreciate that if it we're not for my covering of His Blood i truly of myself have no righteousness whatsoever, and it really makes me understand why the prophets of old instantly fell down like deadmen in His presence, became undone, and knew that they we're men of unclean lips and no way worthy of His use for them ... But He decided! ---


You wrote;
"If God always gave men what we deserved, then who could stand? Even the most “holy” of saints would be destroyed by the letter of the Law. Yet the grace and mercy of God prevents this wrath."

---Of the former it's reall obvious that He doesn't dole out in an instant what we deserve and is propbably a big cause why we can become so spiritually lethargic, and complacent, and of your latter statement, "Yep, until the hour He decrees He's had enough" ... i don't know which is worse, to be a saint thinking "we're rich and in need of nothing", or to be one poor in spirit always relying on His grace and mercy to continually cover our crap while we grieve His Spirit ... He said, His Spirit will not always strive with us ---


You wrote;
"I am concerned for both of you in regards to this prophecy. I have faith that you both have an honest walk with the Lord that will withstand any calamity. However, if such a calamity doesn’t occur? Yes, you will be obligated to confess that you were wrong (at least, by naming a particular Gregorian calendar year). Yet we know that some dark days still lay ahead for this world. We should ALWAYS be prepared for the persecution and tribulation that exists throughout the world. We should ALWAYS learn to be content with the provisions that the Lord provides. Even though we may not truly know the day and hour (or calendar year) for a particular event beforehand – we can still be prepared for such an event."


--- Praise God that concern is soon to be resolved ... And yes "we all should", that's something so many of us saints are good at, saying, thinking, and sometimes even knowing what "we should" be, and what "we should" be doing, but quite often find ourselves lacking when the Master pops up on us for an account ---


You wrote;
"You are in my prayers. If the Lord wills, I hope to begin traveling at the end of the week. I will be in Tennessee for the Christmas holiday, and will return near the first. As I’ve said before, I am praying that the things that you’ve “seen” do NOT come to pass. I do this for the sake of my family, my neighbors, my countrymen and this world. I pray that God gives us more time to bring His message of redemption to mankind. Yes, America is filled with much hypocrisy. But God is able to perform a great work even before the times grow dark."


---Amen, i certainly understand why you're praying against this ... To be honest i kinda go back and forth too in that as i've said to bro Ironman i sure don't want to be proven "loopy" after all this time and energy but then i think about the people ... i try often not to think of the people, and the massive suffering, and sometimes think well maybe it wouldn't be so bad to be proven wrong, but on the larger picture when i compare what i believe to be His sharing with me of His own suffering at being our Owner yet having to satnd outside our doors knocking to gain entrance into His own Body, His own Bride, i think about "What about God's sake"? - and well that just outweighs everything else once placed in such a balance ... If no one really fears God anymore, which scripture states is the beginning of wisdom, then how many of us do you suppose really have any understanding of His pain toward our enactions, but yet we can fix our mouths to beg for more mercy, more time, instead of "Lord, do whatever is necessary to bringing us into Your proper line" ... Again where we don't meet eye to eye is you believe it possible for God to move a mighty work in us before times grow dark, and i on the other hand see that work and movement an assurity in a time of darkness ... In this particular aspect we'll soon know, if pro i'll be busily occupied in a new work, if con then i can finally stop being as spiritually weird as i've become ... As i say to brother Ironman, "Actually it's a Rom. 8:28 win-win situation for us for we're about to actually become either "free in it" or "free of it" ... But as always whatever the outcome may He get all the honor, praise and glory, and may praises towards Him ever proceed from our lips! ---

It was interesting to say the least. While I do see the impending judgement of this nation as imminent I also see it as the true churches finest hour. There's a little prophesy in the NT that says the gentile church would provoce Israel to jealousy, that hasn't happened yet. The Word says that the death of righteous is precious in the sight of God, and while I agree that many christians will physcally die in the times of refining and chastisement of the church, in keeping with 1Co 11:29 For whoever eats and drinks without recognizing the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself.
1Co 11:30 This is why many are sick and ill among you, and many have fallen asleep.
1Co 11:31 If we were properly evaluating ourselves, we would not be judged,
1Co 11:32 but when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord, so that we may not be condemned with the world.
The principle here is one of serving each other. The world is already and is always under the wrath of God and as to NY going up in smoke? That city, by reason of the praying saints stands in the valey of decision, the destiny of that city lays in the obedience of the Church of Jesus Christ. God is about to make a division in the churches; 2Ti 3:8 Just as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so these also resist the truth, men who are corrupt in mind, worthless in regard to the faith.
2Ti 3:9 But they will not make further progress, for their lack of understanding will be clear to all, as theirs was also.
There will be a war played out against some of these false churches and that will be a warning to the smaller churches to flee that damnable doctrines of demons.
Washington D C has been made ready for judgement, as has Baltimore, the violence of those cities has reached heaven and thier judgement is sure, they will be the first to experience necular attack, I believe via dirty bomb. Now a Word for NY, they have the cross roads before them, either they will become a city of refuge and a catalyst of missions for the whole world or in disobedience they will fail the grace of God that is and will be poored out on that city, in that case judgement is certain. The Lord will shortly excite the youth in NY and raise up for Himself a Holy remnant who will be called repairers of the breach and thier exploits will be glorious in HIS sight (sa 58:6 Isn't the fast I choose:
To break the chains of wickedness,
to untie the ropes of the yoke,
to set the oppressed free,
and to tear off every yoke?
Isa 58:7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
to bring the poor and homeless into your house,
to clothe the naked when you see him,
and to not ignore your own flesh [and blood]?
Isa 58:8 Then your light will appear like the dawn,
and your recovery will come quickly.
Your righteousness will go before you,
and the Lord's glory will be your rear guard.
Isa 58:9 At that time, when you call, the Lord will answer;
when you cry out, He will say: Here I am.
If you get rid of the yoke from those around you,
the finger-pointing and malicious speaking,
Isa 58:10 and if you offer yourself to the hungry,
and satisfy the afflicted one,
then your light will shine in the darkness,
and your night will be like noonday.
Isa 58:11 The Lord will always lead you,
satisfy you in a parched land,
and strengthen your bones.
You will be like a watered garden
and like a spring whose waters never run dry.
Isa 58:12 Some of you will rebuild the ancient ruins;
you will restore the foundations laid long ago;
you will be called the repairer of broken walls,
the restorer of streets where people live.
Isa 58:13 "If you keep from desecrating the Sabbath,
from doing whatever you want on My holy day;
if you call the Sabbath a delight,
and the holy [day] of the Lord honorable;
if you honor it, not going your own ways,
seeking your own pleasure, or talking too much;
Isa 58:14 then you will delight yourself in the Lord,
and I will make you ride over the heights of the land,
and let you enjoy the heritage of your father Jacob."
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.).
As to the state of the church in America, there will be waves of strong conviction that will manifest as the Spirit of God searchers the deep things in the hearts of His children, some will embrace it some will reject it and have 1Sa 4:21
Ichabod written above it door posts.
For the individual christian Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
Isa 26:21 For, behold, Jehovah cometh forth out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
Now all thats not to say that we are to run to seek Christ there but that we need to be living a life that is Hid in Christ (Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat Behold, I have told you before.
Mat Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth:, behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.) Note secret chamber.
The christain is called to be those who labor while it is day much like the rebuilding of the walls in the time of Nehemiah, in one hand they had a weapon---it was called prayer without ceasing, and the other hand was doing the works God called them to do in rebuilding the Walls of protection. Always keeping one eye on Jesus and one eye on the task at hand. This is a time of great rejoicing to them who has ears to hear and a heart bent toward obedience. Jesus is coming and His reward is in His hand. I think if I was to ask in prayer anything, it would be for the God of all grace to give me a seeing eye and a hearing ear which God has made them both, and that He would allow us to mix with FAITH the WORD SPOKEN to us. Amen and Amen.

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Daryl said

bro Chris Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose Blood we are Saved.AMEN.

you said:

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bro Daryl

Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose Blood we are Saved.AMEN.

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Bro Ironman wrote;
"bro, thank you for your prayers and for reminding us of this:

Quote:
“But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.” – Luke 22:32


Bro. Chris ...

In all else i forgot to thank you also for your prayers as i much appreciate the prayers of any saint moved to do so in my behalf ... None of us can have to much prayer for us thrown toward heaven's Almighty Monarch, as well as none of us can pray to much for individual saints, and The Bride as well ...

This is just an amazing time for me, like i'm right on the verge of finally realizing what my pastor said such a long time ago that i should seek (His ultimate purpose for my life), and now as i look back on my life i can see key points in it that i hit like a pinball which sent me off into a whole nuther direction, except a pinball game seems random where with myself it's been (to me) more like a divinely orchestrated game played by God Himself toward racking up as many points as He deems to score before allowing me to go out of play, and either that time is now or He's about to play me to Kingdom points "eye hath not seen, nor ear heard" ... It's amazing to be able to look back on one's life and see the obstacles that one has been butted up against to first bring one tO pre- salvation brokeness, second to post-salvation brokeness, and i have yet to live the third part of His game with me, if it be His will, that of ministry and service to The Body ... And this also i know, in this finality, this culmination, being led to SI has been the most important, the clincher, the last catalyst, particularly in fellowship with bro Ironman, that has sustained my weird faith to now just outside this end ... All i can say is, "Thank God for Rom. 8:28"!!! ...

On brokeness i want to end with this ... It seems to me that "self" really gets broken down when over a period of time one's spirit man (and that's all i can attribute it to) continues to win out over the "self" when one believes he is hearing the voice of God to do things that the "self" just screams against ... i've found it to be a really weird place when my "self" thinks that i'm crazy to do such things requiring not only my time and energy but even money, yet i've wound up doing them anyhow, as i've said before of most things i believe i've heard Him say do i've always retorted, "No Father i won't" - then in retro do ... Of this i am thoroughly convinced, that if proven to be on some kind of weird mission on my own then it will had to have been of myself, and not from the enemy, because i don't believe that he would have ever told me to strive after so many beneficial things toward the kingdom of heaven, and certainly not to have prayed for so long for REVIVAL - even he in all his wickedness i don't believe would taunt God like that for fear He just might answer such prayers ... i'm truly at the end of myself here, i have no plans for the future other than hoping and praying He has plans for me, so again may His will be done and may He recieve all honor and glory no matter what ... Hallelujah anyhow! ---