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| All nothing without the knowledge of the birthing | | Nothing in Christianity Works Properly Without a Knowledge of the Birthing! By Warren Litzman
When Jesus said to Nicodemus, You must be born again, it was the beginning of the fulfillment of Ephesians 1:4. Before the foundation of the earth was laid, God had determined that all humans would never be completed humans until they were put in Christ (Col. 2:10). Throughout the entire Old Testament never a word was said about humans being in Christ. That time would come when God raised up the Apostle Paul. He would be the first to know the in Christ truth and he would give it to everyone else.
Yet Jesus was the first to mention it. John, in his gospel, is the only one to record what Jesus said, but when Nicodemus asked how humans would be rebirthed, Christ did not answer him. This was because Paul alone would be raised up to deliver such an answer in the final gospel. The essence of the statement is you must be born-again in order for Christ to be in you. The birthing is what placed Christ in the human believer and at the same time the human believer was placed in Christ.
While this event of the new birthing was announced by Jesus of Nazareth, it could not take place until the Holy Spirit came on the day of Pentecost. All believers on the day of Pentecost were by the coming of the Holy Spirit, baptized or placed in Christ and this was the prime mission of the Holy Spirit (I Cor. 12:13). The part of receiving the Holy Spirit and the speaking in tongues was a fulfillment of prophecy (Joel 2:28) and was important to Israel, as the earthly kingdom was still being offered to Israel.
The outer signs of the miraculous events on that first day of Pentecost, coming after the death of Christ on the cross, were a continuation of signs and wonders given by God to open Israels eyes to the need of the kingdom of God on earth and the acceptance of their Messiah. Such outer signs are not needed in grace because there is no need to prove the validity of Gods power or Christ being real for He now lives in the knowing believer. But the coming of the Holy Spirit was absolutely critical to the grace believers and the final gospel, because as I Corinthians 12:13 plainly says that by one Spirit, the Holy Spirit, every believer is placed into one body, Christ (I Cor. 12:12).
Today with the Apostle Pauls revelation of the final gospel, received directly from Christ, a believer being placed in one body is simply effecting the birthing. Another important thing Jesus said to Nicodemus when He announced the birthing was that he could not see the kingdom or enter the kingdom unless he was born again. When Jesus said this, the earthly kingdom was still being offered, but the truth of it applies to the final gospel also. There is a kingdom for the born-again and the kingdom is Christ himself. At salvation, all believers are translated into Christ or birthed into Him (Col. 1:13). There are many unbelievable truths connected with the birthing and few believers really understand it all. Yet many are coming to its knowledge. Nothing in Christianity works properly without a knowledge of the birthing. Coming to an understanding of the birthing is the purpose of Pauls final gospel.
_________________ Phillip
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| 2007/12/15 4:35 | Profile | Logic Member
Joined: 2005/7/17 Posts: 1791
| Re: All nothing without the knowledge of the birthing | | Quote:
by Christinyou: Yet Jesus was the first to mention it. John, in his gospel, is the only one to record what Jesus said, but when Nicodemus asked how humans would be rebirthed, Christ did not answer him. This was because Paul alone would be raised up to deliver such an answer in the final gospel. The essence of the statement is you must be born-again in order for Christ to be in you. The birthing is what placed Christ in the human believer and at the same time the human believer was placed in Christ.
Your mistake is thinking that Jesus said, "born again" , HE actually said, "born from above" or to be more percice, "produced from above"; "gennaō anōthen" which means to produce as an effect from above. This is much different that "born again", "anagennaō" which means a repeated birth. Also different from "paliggenesia" which means renovation.
You also are mistaken that Paul mentioned specifically "born again" that you are talking about. Peter is the one who mentions the "repeated birth" or "born again" of incoruptable seed. Paul mentions the "reproduction" or "regeneration" by washing and renovation of the Holy Spirit.
[b]Colosians 1:26[/b] [color=990000]Even the mystery which has been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: [b]27:[/b] To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:[/color] Now, if the "mystery of Christ in you" which has been hid from ages and from generations, how do you say that it could not take place until the Holy Spirit came on the day of Pentecost?
Christ being in one(you) was always a truth but it was a "mystery" back then before Christ. However, it was only to the Jews, but now among the Gentiles also. |
| 2007/12/16 21:42 | Profile | Christinyou Member
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"""Your mistake is thinking that Jesus said, "born again" , HE actually said, "born from above" or to be more percice, "produced from above"; "gennaō """
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him , Verily , verily , I say unto thee , Except a man be born ((((())))) again , he cannot see the kingdom of God .
Strong's Greek Dictionary 1080. gennao Search for G1080 in KJVSL gennaw gennao ghen-nah'-o from a variation of 1085; to procreate (properly, of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively, to regenerate:--bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee , Ye must be born again .
Strong's Greek Dictionary 509. anothen Search for G509 in KJVSL anwqen anothen an'-o-then from 507; from above; by analogy, from the first; by implication, anew:--from above, again, from the beginning (very first), the top.
1080. gennao Search for G1080 in KJVSL gennaw gennao ghen-nah'-o from a variation of 1085; to procreate (properly, of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively, to regenerate:--bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.
Actually it says, being born again from above. But the conception is still there, that is "Christ in you the Hope of Glory:, or to procreate or regenerate from above, properly of the Father.
1 Peter 1:23 (((Being born again))) , not of corruptible seed , but of incorruptible , by the word of God , which liveth and abideth for ever .
313. anagennao Search for G313 in KJVSL anagennaw anagennao an-ag-en-nah'-o from 303 and 1080; to beget or (by extension) bear (again):--beget, (bear) X (again).
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""""Colosians 1:26 Even the mystery which has been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:""""
Quote: """"Now, if the "mystery of Christ in you" which has been hid from ages and from generations, how do you say that it could not take place until the Holy Spirit came on the day of Pentecost""""
Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
He could not preach the mystery until it was revealed to him by Jesus Christ glorified and that after His Resurrection.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Gal 2:2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
He not only learned the Mystery by revelation but was communicating it by revelation.
Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him:
Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Born again: yes, a new creature. 2Cr 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
In Christ: Phillip _________________ Phillip
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| 2007/12/16 23:42 | Profile | Logic Member
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| Re: | | Don't give me all those Scriptures, I already have tose in mind along with the definitions.
If your going to tell me something, you your own words to explain what you mean with out giving me [b]ONLY[/b] Scripture. |
| 2007/12/17 9:26 | Profile | crsschk Member
Joined: 2003/6/11 Posts: 9192 Santa Clara, CA
| Re: | | Logic,
Cool your heels brother, this is not necessary or helpful. _________________ Mike Balog
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