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LiveforGod
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 Are we once Saved Always Saved?

There are many preachers in today’s world who give people a false sense of security by teaching them that once they are born again, they can never again be anything but a child of God, and that they have sealed their destiny in heaven. They often use a father-son illustration to support their doctrine, saying a son will always be a son of his father, even if he treats his father and family badly. This example may sound good to some, but the Bible speaks to the contrary. We had no choice but to be children of our earthly fathers. That can never be reversed. However, we choose to become children of God. By choosing to sin, we choose to be converted back to children of the devil. The following scriptures show very clearly that a person can lose salvation, sonship of God, and their place in heaven.



“Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.” Ezekiel 33:12-13.



That needs no explanation. Some say, “That is in the Old Testament–we are under the New.” The scriptures answer: “Now therefore ye [the New Testament church]... are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.” Eph. 2:19-20. “This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you…that ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour.” II Pet. 3:1-2. Thus Paul and Peter both taught that the

doctrines of the New Testament are founded on the teachings of Jesus, His apostles, and the prophets. Knowing this, it is impossible to brush off the words of the prophet Ezekiel as mere history. The truths of Ezk. 33:12-13 still hold especially true in this New Testament dispensation and tell us very plainly how God feels toward those who choose to sin after they have been born again.



“For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.” II Pet. 2:20-22. This very clearly tells us that someone can turn from righteousness and go back to their old, sinful ways. Their condition is worse than if they had never been saved.



Rev. 3:5 says, “He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.” Here we learn that those who overcome evil will remain in the book of life. It is implied that those who do not overcome will be blotted out. God told Moses this very thing, “Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.” Ex. 32:33. Now this is very serious, for on Judgment Day, whosoever is not found written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:15).



“…Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.” John 8:34. “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and Mammon.” Matt. 6:24. Here Jesus says you cannot serve God and mammon. Mammon is simply money and earthly possessions. How much less can a person serve God and sin? It cannot be done. “He that committeth sin is of the devil…In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” I John 3:8-10. Can you be a child of God and of the devil at the same time? No!



When a person is saved, they receive eternal life. Some say, “See–it is eternal; it is never ending. You can never lose it.” The Bible says, “Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.” I John 3:15. They say a person can be living in sin–have hatred, commit murder, adultery, etc.–and yet still have eternal life. This scripture says that we know it is not so. “For the wages of sin is [still] death…” Rom. 6:23.



“If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” John 15:6. For something to wither, it must first have had life. It was a living branch that was cut off from its source. It dies. It hasn’t changed from Adam’s day, when God told him, “…In the day that thou eatest thereof [i.e., sin] thou shalt surely die.” Gen. 2:17.



“Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well, because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” Rom. 11:19-22. The disobedient will be cut off. A branch cut off of a tree does not live. Though for a short time it looks like it is alive, it is most surely dead, and time will prove to everyone that there is no life at all in that branch.



The devil loves to use this false doctrine to try to ease the consciences of people–to make them feel comfortable in their sins and give them a false hope of heaven. Sinners will receive the sentence of eternal damnation on Judgment Day–no matter if they called themselves “Christians” or not. We all need to walk carefully before God, keeping our garments unspotted from sin and the world. Only in righteousness and holiness can we remain children of God and expect a home in heaven.


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 2007/11/27 15:24Profile
jimp
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 Re: Are we once Saved Always Saved?

hi, the only problem with this is;what sin makes you a sinnr again...the first sin. jimp

 2007/11/27 18:35Profile
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James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

The sin he commits willingly, knowing it is a sin would make him a sinner. But I will say mistakes are different and God knows we're human, Romans 6 has a lot of good to say a bout this.

For instance...How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

One thing that I've wondered about the once saved always saved people is if someone gets "saved" and then just completely turns there back on God, are they still saved?

Sadly this doctrine consumes a huge part of the young people at my school. (Some of them being friends of mine) And the majority of them dont even act like christians.

 2007/11/27 18:49Profile
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Hello jimp. Thank you for giving a feedback. I do understand what your saying, but I think that you and I differ in that according to how the Lord has revealed himself to me, in the light he has in his mercy allowed me to have, I see things different in that God made me a new men thus leaving the sinner me behind, thus making me someone new, not a sinner, but a saint for his Glory and Divine purpose.

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hi, the only problem with this is;what sin makes you a sinnr again...the first sin. jimp



Sorry I have to say that I belive this is not so.
What trully makes one a sinner is disobaying God and his standards after you know what´s good and what´s wrong. I know what you where trying to say, just that Iam convinced and persuaded otherwise. God bless you very much.


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 2007/11/27 18:55Profile
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Yes indeed eltrento. It is sad to have to watch all of these kids in school whom belive in that doctrine. I know because I m a student as well and most of the people I know proffers to be Christians, but in reallity they live in sin and in the lust of their flesh. Some are even worst than some people who do not proffes to be Christians. Let´s ardently pray for them, that they would turn from their wiked ways and come to know the true power of the blood of the lamb to deliver from all bondage. God bless you


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 2007/11/27 19:02Profile









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To answer the thread correctly, I mark me down for a YES.

 2007/11/27 19:35
jimp
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hi again,the major problem is not eternal security...it is false security.you go to the altar to die;not escape hell or to join anything or answer the call of man.jimp without the Spirit arresting us and showing Jesus as our only hope there is no conversion.jimp

 2007/11/27 19:39Profile
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jimp wrote:
hi again,the major problem is not eternal security...it is false security.



This reminded me of what Ravenhill said in one of the sermons that I heard recently:

"You see, people are terribly worried about eternal security, I am far more worried about false security.

We've got more people laboring on the false security right now in the church of the living God than any period we've every known."

 2007/11/27 19:42Profile









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I Peter 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and
the sinner appear?

 2007/11/28 1:25









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There are tonnes of OSAS threads in the forum archives, have a little dig around there.

 2007/11/28 5:19





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