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Joined: 2004/2/12
Posts: 4636
Independence, Missouri


I think it was Warren Wiersbe that said, "if the Holy Spirit moved out of the churches in the usa, hardly anyone would notice". Sad, huh?

What would God do through one man or woman that decided they would finally put ALL that God required on the altar? If we have no glory it is because we have no FIRE. If we have no FIRE it is because the altar is not yet full.

Abraham went up the mountain with Isaac. His son was as good as dead in Abraham's heart. He was to be a burnt offering. So much was Isaac dead that Abraham received him as one raised from the dead. What is it in our lives? What is that thing that God continually competes with for our affection? God will show it to us.

People go from one thing to the other, don't they? They set their affection on this or that and when 'this' is on the altar- their heart turns to 'that'. So then 'that' must be burned also. And often it is as Abraham- we had so far removed ourselves from that thing- that when God gives it back it is as if we received it from the dead. We have a more right relationship to it and in turn to God also. Putting things on the altar as God points to them realligns our priorities and affections and in so doing we live in the FIRE. NO FIRE= and empty altar. What is it? What are withholding that the FIRE would fall in our personal lives?

Robert Wurtz II

 2007/11/8 13:20Profile

Joined: 2004/3/24
Posts: 1374

 "SELF" Immolation ...

Bro Robert wrote;
"Putting things on the altar as God points to them realligns our priorities and affections and in so doing [b][color=CC0000]we live in the FIRE.[/color][/b]

---This pretty much sums up what i believe our Lord was saying to me via the lesson of the warehouse fire experience, but it really didn't kick in fully until He had me read what He'd inspired bro. Robert to utter, which in addition i'd also like to say i believe came forth as a direct result from what he was blessed with/by at the conference ...

Amen - we're not supposed to be living in the smoldering, and certainly not in the smoke, there's no consumption in the smoke, only choking actually, and perhaps worse yet hiding ... Add some mirrors to it, and we've got "smoke and mirrors", which we all know is an allusion to "illusion" ... Are we living in spiritual illusion? ... Certainly it can be said that we're living in spiritual confusion as is evidenced by how much back-biting and bickering transpires amongst we churches/saints, of which scripture tells us ain't of Him ... Very little spiritual peace amongst us it seems ... Can we truly worship Him as His collective Body in Spirit and in truth, when we haven't even a clue as to just what being "in one accord is"? ... i don't claim to have the answers, just my wonderings, but He has all the answers, and it's seems so obvious to me that we ALL need to be sat down again and collectively regathered at His feet to re-learn first love and works ... As it stands now, so much smoke ...

This Holy Spirit revelatory process about "fire" is giving me a whole new pause on ...

[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye [b][color=CC0000]present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.[/color][/b]
[b][2] And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
[3] For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
[4] For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
[5] So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
[6] Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
[7] Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
[8] Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
[9] Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
[10] Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
[11] Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
[12] Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
[13] Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.
[14] Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
[15] Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
[16] Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
[17] Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
[18] If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
[19] Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
[20] Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
[21] Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.[/b]

God help me/us out of our smoldering, out of our smoke ... We've given ourselves far to much liscense and leeway to to not applying the consuming flames of Romans 12 to self, while comfortably messing around in our smoldering and smoke ... You've said either hot or cold ... You've said either fully on the altar or fully off ... There's no such thing in this vein of required sacrifice that allows for slow roasting or just plain smoke ... You are an all consuming fire! ... Lord Jesus please help us ... i/we need Your help ... [b][color=CC0000]Please re-ignite your people O God for only in Your fire can we truly come alive to Your glory [/color][/b] ---

 2007/11/8 14:13Profile

Joined: 2006/12/31
Posts: 44
Loveland, Co. USA


Why does He not accept our offerings?, because they are un-acceptable to Him. What withholds the fire/The glory of God? Dis-obedience and sin. Listen to Him, "Be afflicted and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness". We have, as usual, mis-calculated the value of our "sacrifices"...

Charles H Holston

 2007/11/10 0:13Profile

Joined: 2006/1/16
Posts: 274
Chapala, Jalisco, Mexico

 Re: Fire


I didn't go to church this morning. I stayed home and had church. The following is what God brought forth.....

I’ve just been letting God stir me up
challenge my heart afresh
to get deeper into God
deeper into His Word
deeper into His truth
forsake all other loves
all other loves
all other passions
all other hopes
all other dreams
a crucified man has not dreams!!!!!
a crucified man has not ambitions!!!!!!!!
a crucified man has no agenda
a crucified man has no hidden sin
Lord help me today
help me to the cross
to die
death to self
that I may live
glory to God
I am a man of unclean lips
they said they cast out demons
and healed the sick
in His name
He said I NEVER knew YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and you could also say
they never knew HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they had a form of godliness
but denied the power thereof
we must know Him indeed
nothing else matters
shout if from the housetops
nothing else matters
we must live our lives to know Him!!!!!
oh God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pulpits all over this nation this day
will be filled with foolishness
and perversion of truth
preaching feel good messages
to people who don’t' know Christ
and He does not know them!!!!!!!!!!!
my Lord and My God
helps us all
He is raising up His message
but who will hear HIM?
few have ears
few have eyes
there is a day coming
when all will have eyes
and all will have ears
and every tongue and nation
will confess Jesus Christ
as King of kings
and Lord of lords
but it will be too late for those who never knew Him
we need to intercede for ourselves, and His church!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
don't look outside
look within
if we really believed the truth,
why is it that our lives are not radically changed
my God
why are we ALL not preaching????
James 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
who is chosen to be rich in faith?
if this is so
why does everyone strive so hard to be rich in this world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????
it's crazy
it's demonic
it's paralyzing
the Body of Christ
if we do not know Him, we are terribly lost
it's the only thing that matters
by those who know HIM
but first you have to know HIM
evangelism would be easy
if we know Him
prayer time, meeting with God would not be a labor
but a joy
if we know Him
I read stories
about "great men of God"
who labored all night
in "prayer"
if they knew Him
they would have worshipped all night
we know of Him
but we do not know Him
if we knew Him
we would immediately repent
where is salvation without repentance?
ever taught in the bible
yet it's all over "Christian" television and radio
it fills our pulpits this day
God is not pleased with our sin offerings
because God wants our hearts offered for our sin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a thousand times yes
turn off the movies
turn off everything
that is not God
that is not pleasing to HIM
we must become pleasers of God
rather than men
and the first man who must be cast down
is the one we live in
no more foolishness
God is our only pursuit
or He is nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh my the gravity of this is so great
it is so great
it is so great
but who wants to receive it??????
"give me rocks painted gold"
that's the cry of the preacher
give me dregs for true riches
James 2:5Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

if God has chosen the poor to be rich in faith
why is it we strive to be rich in the things of this world?
why is it we horde what wealth we have

why is it our brethren go hungry
those who are rich in faith
go hungry
while we are lavished in luxury
and don't know God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
we know our preacher
we know our church
we know our choirs
we know our deacons
we know our church buildings
we know our programs
we know our activities
and we know our people
but we don't KNOW GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
my Lord, my God
seek to know Him!!!
seek ye first!!!!!!!
to know Him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
make sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that He knows us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no doubt
no doubt
no doubt
you can't get to know Him, spending time with the world
and the tares
there are no substitutes
to spending time with God
and His people
if we did
evangelism would be so easy
it would not be hard to win souls
it would not be hard to spend time with God
it's a labor
because we operate in our own strength
we do not have His strength
because we do not have His joy
we do not have His joy
because we have not spent time with Him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my Lord have mercy on ME
what we really want, is all that He has to be ours
for ourselves
when a world hungers
and thirsts
and we hear not their cries
men, women, children, rich in faith
dying for their faith
while we worry about what color the Sunday school room should be painted
if Christians knew God
there would be no need for Sunday school rooms
they should call them
baby Christian feeding rooms
because they cannot hold a spoon for themselves
and get it to their own mouths
yet they say they know God
they say they are walking His way
God is not mocked
whatever we sow
we will reap
we are too busy hoarding
to sew
our barrels are empty
we have no food to share
because we have riches that will be burned in the fire
not the true riches
God is not moving in this country
He's moving in India
Viet Nam
because that is where the poor are
I don’t' want to go to the mission field for them
I want to go for me
I need them so much more
than they need me
I want to be where God is moving
I want to be where poor people are
I want them to show me how to be poor
so I can be rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God send me
I need it so much
I need to become rich in faith oh Lord
so that You will be my all in all
and nothing else
help me to lay down my life of corruption
and self esteem
self proclamation
self boasting
self promotion
help me to come a boaster of You
help me Lord
to know You
that You might know me
we are very special
to hear this message this day
there may not be one other like it
anywhere in this nation today
do you realize that?
we send our missionaries
and try to teach the rich in faith
how to be lost like we are!!!!!!!!!!!!
how horrible is that
we want to Americanize the world
how horrible is that?
how can our God
hold back the fire?
James said "hearken"
hear ken
if we hear
why do we not believe
if we believe
why do we know act?
I'll tell you why
because we are lovers of self
rather than lovers of God
we have to much earthly security
'to concern ourselves with
rather than God
we want earthly security
as we shun eternal security
we want retirement
more than eternal life
we want to win the lottery more than we want to win Christ
lust of the eye
go to the shopping malls
and look
you will meet your church brothers and sisters there
right along with the rest
with hungry hearts
for some new thing
that will satisfy
for a few moments
rather than seeking God
who satisfies forever!!!!!!!!!!!!
lust of the flesh'
pride of life
God is not in it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He does not know us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we do not know HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my Lord
how obvious
does it have to get
before we can change
we need a new life
to get it
we must give up the old life
and die
die to self
die to it all
die to this world
and all that it has
Lord, forgive me, I'm a sinful man
the spirit of the Lord is speaking,
over the pathetic condition of His church
it is so polluted
He cannot even stand to be in it anymore
is over the door
that means
the glory of the Lord has departed
and they don't even know He's gone
that's the sad part
they are so busy with their golden calf worship
they do not realize that the man of God is up on the mountain
and God is so awesome
God is so awesome
that Moses had to be hidden
so he could live
and tell us about it
and we think we are going to be able to see Him
on that day?
and stand up boldly
before Him?
I think not
unless revival begins in us
right here and now
it is not my place
to decide who enters in, and who does not
but I'll tell you this
we can judge our works
and figure out
whether they will stand the fire
in His eyes
fire from heaven
fire in His eyes
no longer shut up in our bones
it's in His eyes
will our works stand before Him
will He know us?
will we know Him?
"depart from Me" is not something we want to have spoken to us
so we must repent
here and now
and seek our God
our Awesome God
Lord, that we may know You, and You know us
nothing else matters Lord
we must know You
and You must know us
do whatever You have to do
I want to be known by You
I want to know You
help me Lord
in my unbelief
praise God
I am blessed
because I have heard this message
with an open heart
Lord, help me to live it before I preach it
pause and think of that
I know you will
because you love Him
above all others
and He loves you
so when you meet with Him, please remember me
I'm a broken vessel
crushed into fine powder
so that living water can be added
and I can be reborn
for His image
for His glory
for His life
I wish I could see me broken before God
I know that God is speaking
and we dare not ignore Him
God bless you real good


Lahry Sibley

 2007/11/10 9:02Profile

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