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Spitfire
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Ok...so here's the thing. I used to encourage myself by believing that everything would work out and I would be alright and have everything I need, but now, I'm trying to find a way to lose everything and still be alright. I see it coming. I've run from it for a long time, but I [i]may[/i] have to lose everything in the near future. I'm trying to prepare myself for that, but I'm scared. My mother is dying and my husband just doesn't seem to have wisdom, but the Lord is telling me to put my life in my husband's hands and trust Him (God). It's like holding onto a dragon in a movie. I can't help but have fear to fight. I've never ridden a dragon. I'm just plain running through a gauntlet that I've never been through before. I'm afraid of not making it through in a way that pleases God. Dian.

 2007/11/8 7:33Profile









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Ok...so here's the thing. I used to encourage myself by believing that everything would work out and I would be alright and have everything I need, but now, I'm trying to find a way to lose everything and still be alright. I see it coming. I've run from it for a long time, but I [i]may[/i] have to lose everything in the near future. I'm trying to prepare myself for that, but I'm scared. My mother is dying and my husband just doesn't seem to have wisdom, but the Lord is telling me to put my life in my husband's hands and trust Him (God). It's like holding onto a dragon in a movie. I can't help but have fear to fight. I've never ridden a dragon. I'm just plain running through a gauntlet that I've never been through before. I'm afraid of not making it through in a way that pleases God. Dian.



Spifire, if most of your concern with your husband is with money I would let that fall to the wayside.David says in Psalms that I have not seen the righteous forsaken or his seed begging bread. Given that your financial problems are over. The time you spend serving God and taking care of your dying mother and family is what you will be taking with you. These things are eternal and leave no regrets. If you focus on things like money your worry you are having right now is going to be nothing compared to your regrets in the future for worrying in the first place and wasting all of you God given valuable time.

Boy did I get a reality check this morning. I took my kids to the bus stop and I met this woman and her two kids. She is from a trailer park nearby our house. She is a young woman from Tennesee and just moved down here to Florida. It was cold outside this morning and her two kids (about 5 and 7) didn't even have jackets. She said they had to leave behind alot of their things in Tennesee. It broke my heart and got my mind off of my problems real quick. I came home and right away went rummaging through some of my kids clothes they have outgrown looking for some jackets for these girls.

I got to witness to her a little before the bus came and hopefully I can build a friendship with her. She is really nice and I could tell they were responsable people who just fell on hard times. There is alot of that going on in our area.

 2007/11/8 8:00
roadsign
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glorytoglory said: …tell them to turn to God before it's too late.

Spitfire said: We need to tell people that the most powerful weapon that Satan is using is deception …


Here’s my concern: When it comes to sounding the alarm, how can we be believed? This becomes increasingly difficult when the term “God” means just about anything these days. With the predominance of relativism, including pantheism incorporated in New Age type philosophies, people feel that they actually are fleeing. They may indeed be fleeing from the false philosophies (and theologies) of the past, but they are still a frog in the frying pan.

We are eventually forced to admit that within ourselves we have no authority. We are just one of thousands of voices that cram people’s minds - along with the quack “specialists” who use scare tactics to tempt you to buy their product – be it medicinal or philosophical. How can others know we are speaking God’s truths when truth is a non-entity in our culture? We have to grapple with that question, I believe.

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To flee



Sure, it’s fine to warn others to flee, but aren’t we on the same journey?
But how can we flee ( run the course) when we are so stationary- loaded down with excess weight? I don’t mean merely poundage, but also mental weights, false trusts, securities of this world. How can we tell people to flee to God when we ourselves need some sort of religious or cultural system in which to mount our God? How can we flee when we are burdened down with fragile egos, with besetting fears, legalism, living in the past, or like the military general, we are still waiting to fight the “last battle”. (to use Philologos’ analogy) Surely inertia is immobilizing us (I speak of the corporate people of God) – like the frog in the frying pan.

” You were running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you from obeying the truth?” Gal. 5:7


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I 'm afraid. I don't know how to live in this world without health insurance and a secure home and a decent car. I don't even know how to have joy without hope for security in this life. I feel totally insecure. I want to trust God. I really do. I want to be changed. I want to go beyond the norm. I want to live by faith.



Praise God for your condition! You are in the place of wretched neediness, and it is the closest place to God. I appreciate your depth of honesty with yourself and with us too. I can relate to the lessons God taught you, even though my circumstances have been different.

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How can I love not my life unto death? I want to get this. I'm so scared of the future. I'm scared because I don't know how to live without money. I don't want to live without money. Is anyone listening? Are others going through this same thing?



Yes, I share those thoughts. And what’s frustrating is that I cannot bring about such lofty spiritual aspirations. I am not in a position to make vows of poverty in order to build my own faith. Really it doesn’t work that way anyway.

Let’s admit, we can’t put ourselves on the cross. We can’t hammer in the nails into our own hands. It is accomplished through the God-ordained circumstances of life.

Dian, It seems like some nails have already hammered you to the cross. Can you trust God to do the finishing work in his timing?

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I'm trying to prepare myself for that,


Be careful, sister, that your desire doesn’t tempt you towards self-effort – a type of ascetism. God knows what’s ahead, and he is faithful to prepare us and lead us through whatever trial is ahead.

“But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. 8 What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. 10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.
12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.”
How’s that for a description of “fleeing”?

Diane


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glorytoglory said: …tell them to turn to God before it's too late.

Spitfire said: We need to tell people that the most powerful weapon that Satan is using is deception …


Here’s my concern: When it comes to sounding the alarm, how can we be believed? This becomes increasingly difficult when the term “God” means just about anything these days. With the predominance of relativism, including pantheism incorporated in New Age type philosophies, people feel that they actually are fleeing. They may indeed be fleeing from the false philosophies (and theologies) of the past, but they are still a frog in the frying pan.

We are eventually forced to admit that within ourselves we have no authority. We are just one of thousands of voices that cram people’s minds - along with the quack “specialists” who use scare tactics to tempt you to buy their product – be it medicinal or philosophical. How can others know we are speaking God’s truths when truth is a non-entity in our culture? We have to grapple with that question, I believe.




When I was preaching at this rally about turning to God before it's too late I was speaking of today being the day of salvation.

Have you ever discovered what your gift is? I have taken these written tests one which was by Bill Gothard and it always comes up prophet and evangelist but always more of a prophet.I have taken about 5 already. The test by Bill Gothard really seemed sound. Not that a test is the last word. I have noticed that I always tend to have the need to warn people.

I have recognized that alot of men and women who are evangelists are also prophets. Some of them are more of prophets than evangelists.

Shouldn't we ask God what are gifting is and than try and use it more effectively knowing that is what we are gifted for? If I have the gift of a prophet for example and I feel like I need to tell someone to be careful your getting out too deep and I see trouble ahead and if I don't warn them because I think well who am I to go around warning people than I feel I am not using the gift God has given me.

I am nothing but I was bought with a price. If anything who am I not to use this gift He has given me?

I have been saved for 18 years not that this means anything really but I have noticed always in the past and even now I constantly feel the need to warn or draw attention to something that is being neglected. It comes natural and the closer I walk with God the more abundantly.

 2007/11/8 9:19
Spitfire
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Whew! You guys said alot in these last 4 posts! It's 6am and I have about 20 minutes to put in my thoughts here.

Diane (Roadsign), you are talking about what "fleeing" is and how we can have any credibility with people. You know, just a side note here, I'm not sure why I chose this thread to even begin talking (because I've been very quiet for a long time), but it was your post which said we needed to snuff out the fire which led me to believe that this was the proper place for me to begin. With that said, I made the point that I didn't believe the fire could[i]be[/i] snuffed out. I believe that the answer was in warning people to flee, in sounding the alarm.

So...first of all, I posted Art's excerpt from "A Call To Apostolicity", which basically says that the problem is that our enemy in the church is a spirit that isn't being recognized. It's a spirit of falsehood or, if you will, what I call psuedo-christianity. In other words, the church is overflowing with stuffed shirts. A long time ago in some thread I talked about this little game I played with my son. We had visited the aquarium in Chattanooga where they have a wonderful display of river otters. In the gift shop at the aquarium, I bought Joseph a stuffed otter and we named him "Ollie". "Ollie" became Joseph's friend. He would talk to Joseph at night about the events of the day (me being Ollie's voice). One night, after I went to bed, I heard the Lord say to me, "Ollie isn't real." I almost laughed out loud, because, of course I know Ollie isn't real. The Lord said, "What is real? What does Ollie possess that a real otter possesses?" I thought about it for a long time and finally I answered the Lord, "nothing. He just looks like an otter on the outside, but none of his substance is found in a real otter." Then, the Lord said to me, "This is what is wrong in the institutional church. It's full of stuffed Christians."

So...I'm telling you this story because, this is how people will believe us, or not. We [i]must[/i] be real ourselves before we speak. And even then, they may not believe us, as in the Old Testament with Bible prophets, the people had the false and the real, but they often chose to believe the false. I'm thinking of the story of the rich man and the poor man who died and the rich man went to hell and the poor man went into the bosom of Abraham (whatever that is), but my point is where the rich man could see across the great gulf which separated them and begged God to allow the poor man to bring him a drink. When he was denied, he begged that one would be sent back to the land of the living to tell his brothers the truth, but he was also denied this request, being told, "they won't even believe if one were sent back from the dead." They have the truth around them everywhere, but they don't want to believe. That doesn't change our responsibility to "go and tell".

Our biggest responsibility is to be a real Christian, but that comes by going down the narrow path, which is very difficult. There's suffering involved. Do you all see my signature at the bottom of every post? It's by Basilea Schlink and I think it's a profound truth. There aren't enough people going down the Via Delarosa which leads them to reality with God, therefore others who wish to go down that road, have few to help them along. That is the reason I'm sharing my pain right here so openly. I'm trying to show others what "real" looks like. Love, Dian.

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Then, the Lord said to me, "This is what is wrong in the institutional church. It's full of stuffed Christians."

Dian,

I love the idea that the Lord used your son's stuffed otter to speak to you about the state of the church. ;-) How long ago was that?

One of the things which seems to have changed in the perspective of some of us, is that.... years ago.... there was a strong idea coming from those leading churches, that the 'right' thing to do - even if you 'disagreed' with things there - was to stay. This was seen as a good testimony. No-one seemed to care about the gut-wrenching compromise by which the ordinary saint was thus being vexed.

Now, since some people couldn't stomach 'church' any longer, and as we receive the strong word to Carter Conlon that if people don't come out they will be lost in the fire, perhaps there is hope for some of those stuffed Christians, who wake up in time to join those heading for higher ground. I want to believe there is hope for them, including [u]disillusioned pastors[/u].

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Our biggest responsibility is to be a real Christian, but that comes by going down the narrow path, which is very difficult. There's suffering involved.

I believe the Lord gives special grace to those who suffer. That's what I've heard (and perhaps, that's what I've experienced but it seems to me nothing I've gone though compares with stories from countries, where there is State persecution of Christian families, including the children).

 2007/11/9 19:41
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Shouldn't we ask God what are gifting is and than try and use it more effectively knowing that is what we are gifted for?



Hi, Glorytoglory, For sure, giftings are given to God’s people to build the church. There’s no shortage of books and teachings on the subject. While they can be insightful they can also contribute to pigeon-holing. That is, we try to conform our life according to a gift (as we perceive it to mean) instead of a person: Christ, as Dian points out:
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Our biggest responsibility is to be a real Christian




I think you will be blessed by Art Katz' ebook: [url=http://www.benisrael.org/writings/online_books/prophetic_call/pc_contents.html]The Prophetic Call [/url]
There's plenty of insight here that could apply to all God's people.

Diane


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