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myfirstLove
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....and remember, God saves unto the uttermost! Lust is not too big for God at all, as many christians think. It is imposssible with men, but with God all things are possible! Praise God!!!


I know men who have overcome this. And I am one who have overcome too, by the grace of God! Your mind can totally be cleanse of this filth through Jesus. I testify of this!


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Lisa

 2007/10/11 11:20Profile
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I understand the following comment but disagree with it:

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You should talk to your wife about these urges that you have in the night and consider her as your means of release.


There is a difference between love and lust. Loving our wives like Christ loved the church does not include relieving rabid, animal-like, possibly demonic lust on them. Especially at 3 a.m. when she has a right to be snoozing.

It is possible to be married and to lust after your wife. Love is mutual. Self-denial and control should be practiced - especially when one suspects the compulsive urge may actually have been initiated by a demon. I'm not saying a husband and wife can't have an understanding that he has natural urges which she can help relieve - but they are not the same as lustful compulsion.

Let us men be careful to notice if we are only looking for self-gratification in intimacy with our lives. The man should be looking to meet his wife's need and "giving" to her.

I suspect that the proper response to most of our compulsive urges should be to give our wife a back or foot massage, or to do the dishes for her as opposed to requesting her to dutifully "relieve" us.

Fight lust, Christ in us is the hope of glory - apart from Him we can do nothing.

Finally, cutting TV out of my life has helped tremendously in the battle against lust. The mental influence of the media (electronic and print) is staggering.

Brian


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Brian Erickson

 2007/10/11 11:31Profile









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Really appreciated Corey's words and some othes, having talked with many men about this in counseling.

There are lies out there right now that must be taken down first.

#1 lie - "it's a demon making me do this"

#2 lie - "it's just something us guys go through"

For the first lie we have - Jas 1:14, 15 But each one is tempted by his own lusts, being drawn out and being seduced by them.
Then having conceived lust brings forth sin. And sin being fully formed brings forth death.

PRIDE is the root of all sin. It's the "I deserve" affect.
-I deserve to "feel good" in this area or that.
-I deserve better than what God has left me with. [wife-home-job]
-I've worked for God, now I deserve a little "pleasure" - whatever form that takes.
-I know God will forgive me - because I do so much toward Him or for Him.

Pride is the chink in the armor that allows the above verses in James to start in the first place. We don't "pick up demons" - we are tempted by our own lust which is Pride.
All sins are listed together in Gal. and 1Corth and Rev. so this applies to all of those.
This is not a pet sin that should be classified any differently than all the others. It is equivalent to all that are in the same lists with it.

Love for God and others will kill pride in that we put others before ourselves.

If we put Love first - then we will seek to make the object of our love happy. First God and then our spouses.

Love neutralizes Pride.

Satan has no power over us, except where we have been lovers of ourselves rather than lovers of God and others first.

If we live for those we love, we'll seek to please them in every way we can and by loving others - 'that' is how we die to self.

Sex can be "self" gratifying Only - and that is when it is totally sinful and not why God created it.
Many wives wish their husbands would love them and know when they don't instinctively.
A man or woman cannot say "I love my spouse" and be looking at the opposite sex or being "self" gratifying in the physical. They will think of their spouse if they love them and how they can Please them in the marriage bed and not how to please themselves.
That is a picture of Christ and the Church Eph 5.

The second lie turns humans who are created in the image of God into dogs. It's degrading to a human being to think that they "can't help it."

Picture Jesus - He was tempted in all manners, yet did not give in. And we have all that He limited Himself to have while here.

Paul would not give a psychology based answer to this sin or any other sin. So "myfirstlove" is right in saying that our minds should be soaked with His Word. Psalm 119 is a good place to start.

Humans are not dogs. Dogs run on physical feelings only and do something to alleviate their body. But we have conscience/reasoning/a brain/logic/ and if Christian, we have Him living within.

When one wakes up in a state that they know can lead to problems - instant prayer is our option - we do have self-control - and any action we take to satisfy our own lust without struggling with it first is a slap in the face of the dignity of humans that God created in His image.
That lie is from the world - that we "can't help it". That's no where in the word at all. Not one scripture anywhere will say that "we can't help it".
We need to be De-programmed from the lies of society. They call everything "disorders or addictions" - but those words are Not in the Bible. Even kleptomania.
We buy the lies of society - that were never IN Society before. From more around the 1960's and the free-love culture have these lies come stronger than ever.

Before, we knew what an up-right man or woman was.

Please see that Pride and the lies of this world are the culprit first and then Love the Lord and others as yourself - live for Him and them and kick the lies of this present evil world out of your mind.

The latest lie of this century is "that's all men think about".

That is a bold face, mind control and a social engineering lie to pervert an entire generation.

Way back when, in military bootcamp - we had a class on "How to Subvert a Nation" and the #1 thing to use was sex - the second - alcohol and drugs. There were 12 things on that list they handed out - but these two explained what's happened to us since the hippie days. Turning men and women into animals, acting out of flesh only, with no God given restraint or conscience.

This Darwinistic - Freudian - generation wants to turn humans into animals, with "uncontrollable" instincts. That's a lie that none of us should buy into, nor take their psychology into our minds but be cleansed and Transformed by the washing of the Word from this demonic culture that strips humanity of it's God given dignity and knowledge of the Holy, which we were created in the image of.

Love the Lord your God with all your mind, heart, soul and strength and Love others.
Esteem others - Husbands LOVE your wives and wives Love your husbands - but don't wait for them to love you first.

Praying a Miracle of His Love over all of our minds and Homes.


 2007/10/11 12:04
SaintLina
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I am speaking straight with you because I am concern about your soul.



I too write to you with deep concern about your soul.

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I've been a strong faith-based, scripture-based believer for 27 years. I serve as a Worship leader, a teacher of God's Word and have 2 prison ministries, where I do both, once each month. So I'm involved and love serving the Lord.



Dear Josh, because you are involved does not mean you are a Christian. Yes true Christians serve the Lord, but true Christians do not commit sin. "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
(1 John 3:9)

It seems to me that you are commiting sin, this is what the literal translation means:
"Every one having been begotten from God is not practicing sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to be sinning, because he has been begotten from God."
Josh it seems like you are practicing sin! If you are, you are not walking in true salvation.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" (Romans 6:1-16)

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell."
(Matthew 5:28-30)

You see here the serousness of lust, dear Josh! One, you are sinning against God. And two, you are sinning against your wife, by commiting adultery on her! 1Cor.6:9 says that no adulterer shall inherit the kingdom of God! My dear one, I plead with you to repent believe in Christ the risen Savior. He will deliver you from bondage, He will set you free. If you believed you would be set free, "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." (John 8:36)

Until you do so, take heed to the word of Lisa, not only her word but the word of God:
"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye." (Luke 6:41-42)

You need to humble yourself, step down from all this business, and use all the free time you have, to seek the Lord in prayer and fasting and perhaps He would grant you repentace. Read the word, see how much you have offended God. The answer is Christ, and walking in the Spirit!

In Christ,
Lina Urban












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Lina

 2007/10/11 13:37Profile
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The only thing that has worked for me is getting rid of my computer and internet. As long as I don't have a computer I don't have temptation in that realm.

This last week I had my computer at home in order to sell some bibles on eBay, the week was a horrible mess of temptation. Give no opening to Satan for attack.


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Ian Smith

 2007/10/11 13:54Profile
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Hello...

I've read quite a few posts where believers seem to almost blame the temptations for our lust. Wouldn't it be better to get rid of the lust and place our bodies into submission? It would be nearly IMPOSSIBLE to seperate ourselves from all temptations. You can turn off the TV, disconnect the internet, and even stop reading newspapers. But you know what? You STILL have eyes and a lustful heart!

Why not fix the problem at the root?

David Wilkerson once preached a sermon about temptation in which he described a guy who lived atop a poll for quite a while in order to "seperate himself" and be "holy." When he came down, he told others that he couldn't escape the sins of this world because they are part of our inner, sinful nature.

If you can overcome lust, you will not spend your life dodging, "hiding" or "escaping" from sin. Instead, you will be OVERCOMING.

I don't know that there is a "quick fix" for escaping such sin. However, I do know that God provides a "way of escape." This escape is NOT the removal of the eyes -- but the ability to withstand such temptations. I've always felt that, when temptation arises, it is difficult to fall when your eyes are looking toward the face of God. Paul said he would "buffet" his body and bring it into subjection (I Corinthians 9:27). In times of temptation, why not immediately fall upon your knees? Our brother has said that this happens at night. Why not get upon your knees EVERY TIME this happens? Force yourself to LOOK TO JESUS. Who could sin when they know that they are looking upon one another?

Brother, I would recommend "stepping down" from public ministry until such time that victory is achieved. I don't believe that a man of God can (or should) operate effectively while living is sin. This is not a "rebuke." Rather, it will allow you the time to fix your efforts upon overcoming such sin. You don't have to tell anyone and everyone the reason for your "stepping down" from public ministry (and of course, you can still witness to people in an informal manner). But what kind of results are produced when we ourselves cannot overcome?

I know of a christian singer who quit because of lust. He later proclaimed that he would even lust WHILE he led the congregation in worship! He recognized his terrible condition, and resolved that he wanted freedom -- even if it cost him EVERYTHING!

Brother, I am praying for you. I appreciate the humility in which you shared your condition. Do not give up! God is a "very present help in time of trouble!" You can overcome this sin. It may cost you some comfort (particularly on the knees), but in the end, it is worth it! We will stand by you and encourage you as you fight!

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Christopher

 2007/10/11 14:44Profile
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Hmm, I know exactually where your coming from.

This is God trying to build your integrity. The 'secret' life.


Brother, the only advice I can give is persist. Fight everything, cold turkey. Give it everything you got. It's a fruit of the Spirit, it's called 'self-control'. Abide in Him and bound in fruit!!

Take care, and fight the good fight.

 2007/10/16 17:46Profile
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 Re: Needing Spiritual advice concerning a tormenting demon

Hi Bryan

I suffered in this same area for about 15 years, the bad part about it is that the cycle of guilt that satan continuosly keeps you locked in. This guilt will drive you to dark secret places because you are constanlty reminded how bad you are.

Bryon the awnser that i give will sound simple but in practise it is not because you will be fighting.

Bryon i knelt before the lord with all my heart and prayed that the holy spirit would forgive me for defiling my heart were he was supose to dwell. then with the lord by my self in a room i closed my eyes and every fowl thought that came to my mind i rebuked it. some of the thoughts in my imagination didnt seem that bad but they ended up being the hardest to get rid off.

you will know when you are clean and i think the biggest lesson i have learned is that the devil will try to get back into your thoughts through little things. We cannot evade the filth of this world as it is portrayed everywhere we go but the lord says to us "It is not what we see or here that defiles us, it is how we respond to it that defiles us.

we are to be ready to battle with satans hordes of images every second of the day. sexual lust i have found to be very difficult to deal with in alot of people that i have counselled in this area because of the pleasure side of it. But just like drug addiction it starts of all fun and exciting but then the devistation will come.

just kneel before the lord and ask the holy spirit to direct you as you cast out these imaginations that satan has planted in your heart. You have been a christian a long time so by now you should be able to recognize Gods voice and when satan tries to speak to you.

Be strong and Bold in the lord brother and this burdan will be cut of your back.


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karl rashleigh

 2007/10/16 18:22Profile









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There is a difference between love and lust. Loving our wives like Christ loved the church does not include relieving rabid, animal-like, possibly demonic lust on them. Especially at 3 a.m. when she has a right to be snoozing.

She may have a right to be snoozing, but the man has problems and whether it is lust or love, he needs help. For a man, sexual urges don't go away that easily. You can talk to him all about abstaining, but while your talking to him his mind is swimming in gratification.
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1 Corinthians 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

What do you think this is talking about? Defrauding

Sorry to break this religious bubble of Prim and Proper and Prissy way of thinking, these issues are real and thats why the divorce rate is so high because men AND women are defrauding one another. Not just sexually but in all aspects of the married life. When a married couples needs are met there is no need to go out and look at other women or look at porn. He/she will do everything for each other, that is true love.

I have observed couples relationships over the years, and I have seen the divorces. And most of the divorces are selfish, she this and he that. Most times it's not about sex, it's about consideration. Women have needs that are not sexual in nature that need to be met and he is taking them very lightly. Communication is not yelling at one another, communication is understanding one another. Her emotions needs to be merged with yours to strengthen the relationship. It doesn't matter if you don't understand everything, you just need to be a good listener and be attentive.

I remember one time a woman was telling her husband about the things that happened in her day, and he'd just lay on the couch and fall asleep. After a while she gave up. Their relationship became empty. They had sex regularly, but it was just out of duty. He was sleeping with someone else, and she filed for divorce. He was selfish, and he convinced himself that she cheated on him. I could tell you more, but this is enough.

Oh by the way, I am responding to the quote not necessarily the person who wrote it.
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On a spiritual note, Crusader gave some good advice, very good indeed!

 2007/10/16 20:01









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Since I am not a man I can't imagine what you are going through. I will say this, if your right eye offends you cut it off. I believe Jesus said this because what affects one (such as a computer) will not affect another. I believe He was also saying "at all costs avoid sin!"

Climbing up a telephone pole though and staying there is not what He meant. The devil does not have that much control over us.Greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world.

The bible also says that you should know how to posses your vessle. If you know your weakness than you will know how to posses your vessle.Not everyone posseses their vessle the same. We all have different weaknesses. Until we know how to posses our vessle in such a way the computer for instance doesn't bother us than maybe you should get rid of it for a season.

Only you yourself know what you need to do in order to get that particular sin out of your life.If something is causing you to sin cut it off.

Demons feed on sin and they get bigger the more you feed them. The less you feed them the smaller they get.


 2007/10/16 20:29





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