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Many Christians cry out for true prophets, but it seems when one is raised among them, those who cry out for true prophets are the first ones to stoned them.

Surely a true prophet wouldn't care about getting good reviews, they wouldn't care about seeking man's opinions because they are there to do the will of God and please Him only.

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Lisa

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I haven't even read the book but I will order one very soon. We have long needed the courage to ask the hard questions and acknowledge that many things are not lining up biblically in some of the modern movements and trends however well intentioned they may have been in their beginnings. You've done a much needed service for us and thank you for making the effort to honestly point some of these things out.

"Doc"

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David Winter

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Come on folks, you have effectively called a fellow "CHRISTIAN' a false prophet. That is foolish!Rom 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master[1] that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

Jesus said by this shall all men know that you are my disciples, by the LOVE you have one toward another, where is the love in your comments? You might try to defend yourselves and your stand or position on this matter, but rember every man womam and child will give account to God for thier own actions, maybe the Lord told him to write this book and market it, are you close enough to God to speak for Him on behalf of this man? Can you stand the same judgement you have cast? THINK! you two have just done toward him exactly what those of old did toward the prophets of old! Be slow to speak and quick to hear, let the day declare itself in light of a matter, come on you two are better than this, I've read some of your comments on other posts, grow up!

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D.Miller

I can say with a great deal of certainty that most people in these forums would enjoy siting down and talking with Andrew and his family. They felt God leading and packed up from New Zealand and came to the US; Kansas City in particular. I did not know the man from Adam a few weeks before he arrived. I believe God ordained it.

From then we spent a great deal of time together. We have ministered together in revival meetings, street services and homeless ministry. You may not agree with Andrew, but I have to take strong issue with asserting he is a false prophet. There are few people around that preaches a full Gospel message like him that I am aware of. And he certainly don't need me as his defense. But I'll speak up any time when I know better than what is being insinuated or spoken of him.

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Robert Wurtz II

Thankyou Robert and Dohzman for sticking up for me. However on reflection I believe there is much truth in what Corey is saying.

I need to avoid even the appearance of "self-
promotion" - and that is what Corey was bringing out. I believe he is right.

Corey - I apologize. You have made me look at myself and the way I am doing things - and I am going to make real changes - starting tonight.

I want to thankyou for being so bold and forthright. "The wounds of a friend". -Truly.

I think probably I should start by erasing my other posts on this thread.

God bless you!

Andrew Strom.

Dear bro Andrew,

It was a couple of years back, when I was in a very dry and barren state in my spiritual life, going to church regularly and very much involved in church actvities but 'dying' inside me.

I happened to stumble onto your article online and something shone through the despair I was going through. Many things I was questioning began to be answered. I started to seek more and not just receive and believe what people say or teach. I began to cry out to God and He has been more than good. I 'stumbled' or was 'led' to Sermonindex (thank you, Lord) and here you are too. I thank the Lord for you too. Your openness and brokenness opened my eyes to many things.

I am not good at reviews and comments but I would like to share this response by Kato Mivule. God bless.



Response to "Why I left the Prophetic Movement" By Andrew Strom

An African Perspective

By Kato Mivule

I read with interest the article on "Why I left the Prophetic Movement" by Andrew Strom, I thank God that he did and also have put out a warning to everyone. Well I live in Kansas City too, and I am from Uganda, Africa, I have been for a long time disgusted at the manipulation and games that these prophets play, mainly lust for money and power.

There is a strong spirit of greed for money and power here in the West and this spirit asserts itself in very sophisticated ways that it takes discerning from God to uncover these evil demons of control, power and money. I found out that those who don't preach the prosperity gospel, like most TV preachers we know, actually practice the prosperity gospel by their way of life, they do it in such a subtle way that it is not open to the simple minded eye. The other trouble is that the movement is so attached to the issue of power and who should be in control, just like much of the Christendom Churches do.

The lust for power comes from a false spirit that has duped the Western churches and ministries to be run like corporate organizations. We have the structure similar to that of any corporate organization inside these churches and ministries, there are CEOs, etc and maybe that is why most churches here enjoy the IRS 501(c) tax exemption status. This problem is not just a 'Prophetic/charismatic' issue but also a symptom of the extent at which the moneyed suburbanized American church has decomposed with her continual adultery with the present world and Satan.

This spirit of dominionism has so much been epitomized in the just concluded presidential elections. Christians have been deceived that they have to “take back” all government control and create a so-called Christian nation, such deceit is not only alarming but very heartbreaking cause those who have studied history know exactly what happened when Constantine the infamous Roman emperor did when he institutionalized Christianity as the official religion. History tells us what happened next. Jesus said simply and very plainly that his kingdom is not of this world.

Secondly I believe strongly with all my heart that true dominion power and rule belong only to Jesus Christ and He will establish that when He comes and not now through the suburbanized American church. The Suburb Church of America has been deceived into believing that God will only accomplish His will and purposes through them and not any one else, they see them selves as supporting and fulfilling the great commission and all the so-called "prophetic" purposes of God, one wonders why missionaries leave America and go to evangelize other nations, spending billions of dollars a year and yet cannot even help their fellow brothers in Christ who pray in a partial renovated beat-up former store structures in the inner Cities that look much like a war zone.

The devil has been successful in making them hate their inner city or poor brother while making expensive flights to preach to us in Africa or the rest of the so-called "third world" who are normally seen as "heathens" or those living in the "dark continent". This dominion spirit is no different from colonialism and imperialism. It is not a spirit from Christ; it is the spirit of man. So when it comes to evangelism, again there is control and dominion from the Rich Young Ruler, The American Church.

The lack of concern and blaming the poor by the American church is nauseating. The American Church has been deceived by the devil into joining hands with the so-called conservative and democrats in fighting against the poor in America by blaming the poor for their predicament. Those who read the Bible prophets like Isaiah, etc, know that God has drawn a clear line. Those who fight against the widows, poor and orphans, fight against God, for God is their protector. These Rich preachers are engaging in fistfights with The Lord, and will ultimately loose. The 'prophetic movement' including the so-called Religious Right Christians sadly have succumbed to such deceit from the devil and so blinded that they cannot see this clearly.

Those who are simple minded however, will not want to hear this or even enjoy reading such articles. But like the current politicians are saying, "you can fool some people all the time but cannot fool all people all the time", those with discernment from the Holy Spirit and God’s Word will not be deceived.

The church in America should receive the Lord's rebuke with all their heart and strengthen what remains otherwise they risk being given deep into the spirit of the evil one. The repentance here is not just confessing sins religiously but the Mathew Chapter 3 repentance that bares fruit.

Matthew 3:7-10

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire

The John the Baptist repentance which bares fruit is what is required otherwise the axe is laid at the root of the American church tree to cut it down and throw it in the fire if no one heeds to God's voice and repents from dead works of men and Satan.

I stand with you in prayer and know that what is happening to you is not just an isolation or a single incident but happening to many brothers and sisters in Christ around the World.

Your Brother in Christ from Uganda, Africa

Kato Mivule