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TimmyJoe
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Why does that happen?


I go to a pentecostal church, and I have never seen that happen (except on T.V.). But I here it used to happen at Whitfield and Wesley revivals.

 2007/9/18 20:00Profile
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He laid hands on me and I went out on the floor



Why does that happen?



Numerous scriptures taken out of context. Not really sure though, I was new and young.

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Why does that happen?


I go to a pentecostal church, and I have never seen that happen (except on T.V.). But I here it used to happen at Whitfield and Wesley revivals.



Your right I have heard that too, but I believe it was due to the Word being preached. Wesley and Whitfield would preach the Holiness and Righteousness of God and the enormity of our sins. I have heard that the preaching was anointed so much that people would fall and cry under the conviction and revelation of a Holy God. Boy could we use some of that today! Could I use some of that in my walk.

 2007/9/18 20:30Profile
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To get back to the question at hand, it would be interesting to know what Paul Washer believes? I would bet its not what you see on T.V.?

I admire and look up to him as a mentor in my life, though I haven't met him, I have listened too, many of his sermons that blessed me and encouraged me in my walk. He is one of the few that I would trust scripturally and cause me to look at my own beliefs over certain scriptures.

Would it cause anyone to change there own opinion based on someones else's, being older and wiser in there faith?

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Your right I have heard that too, but I believe it was due to the Word being preached. Wesley and Whitfield would preach the Holiness and Righteousness of God and the enormity of our sins. I have heard that the preaching was anointed so much that people would fall and cry under the conviction and revelation of a Holy God. Boy could we use some of that today! Could I use some of that in my walk.



Same with Jonathan Edwards who was preaching at the same time (though accounts say compared to Whitefield, Edwards' preaching was more stoical; apparently "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" was preached in monotone yet it left his listeners in convulsions.)


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"Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" was preached in monotone yet it left his listeners in convulsions.)



Thanks for that I just ran across that sermon the other day. I will have to spend time to read it tonight. Thanks

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Hi Moe_Mac,

As far as I know, the SBC doesn't exist here in Australia, but from what I've seen and heard online, there seems to be several inconsistencies among it's members with regards to doctrine and practice i.e., on one extreme you have the likes of Rick Warren running his seeker-friendly megachurch in Southern Califonia, yet on the other end you have people like Albert Mohler at Southern Theological Seminary whose theology is Reformed, Complementarian, Cessationist and based around a more confessional statement of faith.

So what exactly makes a Southern Baptist... Southern Baptist?



What is a Southern Baptist now or what it was in the past. What it now is , it is filled with people who just like Paul Washer says, they prayed a prayer one time with their mouth. They can not look back from the point and time they prayed that prayer and see any change in their life because it had no heart involved. No new creation, no wanting to be pleasing to the Lord in any way. No desire to study and defend HIS WORD. They are offended when they hear the word preached in truth and it is because it conflicts with their worldly group affilitions and the desires of their heart on self. In most SBC churches, if Paul Washer came and preached a sermon in the church body on Sunday morning. I would not be surprised if the deacons, fired the pastor for inviting Paul to come preach, and three fourths of the congregation would get up and walk out before he finshed the sermon.

The modern day SB believe that abortion is ok, a homosexual has right to be legally wed in Holy Matrimony, casinos, just like the world, you can't tell the difference, accept one attends church occassionally and one don't. And they send a message ever so cunningly to the preacher before or soon after they hire him, ever so cunningly if you step on our toes in a certain way you are history. They forbid the Pastor to preach against these groups who support this legislation about their rights. This is why Rich Warren has a big church is because he supports many of these people who pass this legislation and does not speak out against them. Narrow is the way. Their theory is the preacher has no business medling in anything about their personal life or conduct. They are saved by grace and have a license to sin. And they always read verse 8 and 9 and leave out verse 10 about unto good works. Most SBC consider it to be a social club, and God has no power. The church body that I just united with has a preacher that is only concerned with pleasing the Lord, if the whole congregation walks out when he preaches truth, so be it, he has obeyed God. That is way all Pastors and preachers should be in all denominations and in everything they do and preach and it is what is needed for revival. But many people say this type preaching is not love, if the preacher preaches such. That is why Paul Washer has a name for never being invited back to many churches. The people say Paul and those like him does not have the love of Christ, if they offend with the word and disagree with a lie. Bologna, you can't love anyone any more than giving them truth that point them to Jesus and HE will save and keep them out of hell because in HIS Father's house are many mansions. That's my understanding. I believe myself all HIS people are saved by grace through faith, it is a gift of God, lest any man should boast, and he saved me unto good works that he prepared for me and all of us in advance to do and we should walk in them.
As Paul Washer says, test ourselves and see if we really are of the faith. Most SB don't have any understanding to even test themselves and when any truth is preached they don't hear. They don't know the Word and don't want to know.
How do I know this. Because I was just like them from 27 years old to 50 before I made him Lord with my heart and not just with my mouth and I haven't been the same since. I have few friends because I offend many.
moe_mac

edit: And if I might add one more thing. If Paul Washer, myself or anyone else speak out against evil, fight against evil, to the modern day SB and many others denominations as well, anyone who does speak out evil will be accused of judging, according to their interpretation of the scriptures.

 2007/9/18 23:45
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How do I know this. Because I was just like them from 27 years old to 50 before I made him Lord with my heart and not just with my mouth and I haven't been the same since. I have few friends because I offend many.



Thats great!!! I tell you when you hear the truth preach, it is hard not to listen. Thats why I love men like Paul Washer, I have been listening to many of his sermons, and finding myself examining. I don't know if I am trying to covet a moment that would occur in my life, like a deep profound revelation of Christ. you know like some of the people he counseled, after they sought and sought the Lord, he enlightened them with some peace or enlighten a verse to cause a change. The thing that is hard in this, is our own heart! We can talk ourselves out of anything and convince us of anything. All I know is that I passed from death to live, don't know when or how, but I know I want to know HIM deeper and obey Him in my life. I love to read His word and anticipate to hear HIM speak. However, I need to always examine myself, because it could be ways to make God a end to my means! Could I be a Pharisee? (Thats a rhetorical question)

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I appreciate what you said iansmith;

If God allows me to speak in tongues I won't fight it, but I'll put Loving others and being a Prophetic voice in my generation before speaking in tongues any day.

I was born into a lutheran church, raised in a charismatic/pentecostal fellowship (they ran the gamut in that one), went to baptist, then to evangelical and back to charismatic (AoG) and now in a nondenominational church...why do I write this? but that all of us has the same kind of story. But love fulfills all the law and Christ is that love manifested. It matters not what denomination, but rather do you love Him and others. Simple words they even seem cliche, but they ARE the most powerful words of all. HE STILL USES THE FOOLISH THINGS TO SHAME THE WISE and if we will see HIM, we must be like little children, SIMPLE AND IN LOVE WITH HIM.


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If you see something wrong with another denomination, don't gossip or slander, pray!


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