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 Who owns the Holy Land (Israel) by Hal Lindsey

The whole world is being drawn into the current conflict over the Holy Land. The Bible predicted that just such a situation would develop in the "Last Days." As predicted, two ancient peoples are at the center of the controversy, the Arabs and the Israelites. The Arabs call the land Palestine. The Israelites call it by its ancient name, Israel. There are unique and extraordinary circumstances in the history of these people, which cause much misunderstanding by most people today.

First, they both originated from the same forefather ? Abraham ? 4,000 years ago. The Israelites, commonly called "Jews" today, descended from Abraham through Isaac and Jacob. The Arabs descended from Abraham through Ishmael and Esau.

Second, God chose Abraham's line through Isaac and Jacob to be the recipients of several covenants that established them as his special representatives on earth. Basically they were chosen for the following purposes:

* To receive, write and preserve His Word to man, which we call the Bible.

* To be an example of the blessing that comes from believing in and following the true God.

* To be the physical race through whom the Messiah, the Savior of the world would be born.

* To spread the revelation of how to know God personally.

In order to accomplish these purposes, God made unconditional promises to them that involved making them a unique nation with an everlasting title deed to specifically defined land.

Historically, the descendents of Ishmael and Esau have felt that somehow they were cheated. This created an enmity that has smoldered and burst into flames at various times in history.

God forewarned the Israelites through Moses that their nation would twice be destroyed for failing to obey Him. The second destruction would be far more severe than the first ? the people would be scattered throughout every nation under heaven. They would be persecuted and have no assurance of life. This was literally fulfilled, beginning with the Roman destruction of Israel and Jerusalem in A.D. 70 (Deuteronomy 28:64-68 and Luke 21:20-24).

This dispersion began to draw to a close in May of 1948 when, against all odds, Israel was reborn as a nation.

This has created unique problems for the world. Never before has a people been scattered for almost 2,000 years, remained virtually a nation in exile, returned to claim their ancient homeland and then been reborn as a nation. The Arabs and all Muslims say Israel has no right to this land because they took it for Allah by Jihad, or holy war, centuries ago. According to their belief, Mohammed ascended to heaven from Jerusalem. Therefore, it is considered their third holiest place.

The secular world, especially Europe, sees the state of Israel as a nuisance that hinders the free flow of oil from the Arab nations. So they mostly side with the Arabs for economic reasons.

There are two different attitudes toward Israel's right to statehood in the Holy Land among Christians. One group interprets Bible prophecy in an allegorical sense and says that Israel forfeited its covenant rights when it rejected Jesus as Messiah. A few in this group say that Israel in any event can never be given the land by God until they repent and believe in the true Messiah.

Then there are those Christians (and I am one of them) who simply take at face value what God has promised the Israelites. The prophecies of Ezekiel chapters 36 through 39 are one example. They all focus on the present Arab-Israeli conflict, which closely precedes the Messiah's coming to set up God's promised kingdom to Abraham's believing descendents.

First, God warns all of the nations that surround Israel, "Thus says the Lord God, 'Surely in the fire of My jealousy I have spoken against the rest of the nations, and against all Edom, who appropriated My land for themselves as a possession with wholehearted joy and with scorn of soul, to drive it out for a prey.'" (Ezek. 36: 5) "Edom" refers to the Arabs descended from Esau. The surrounding nations are all Muslim today.

Note that God says, "My Land." The Muslims don't own it, neither do the Jews ? God owns it. He gives it to whom He chooses and not on the basis of human merit.

Second, God declares to whom and why He is going to give the Holy Land, "Therefore, say to the house of Israel, 'Thus says the Lord God, 'It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for My holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you went. And I will vindicate the holiness of My great name which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord ?" And then, "For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands, and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean ? I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you. ?" (Ezek. 36:22-26)

The Bible clearly shows that God is going to give "His Land" to Israel. Not because they deserve it, but because His great name is at stake ? God cannot break a promise. It is after this that God will bring the Jews to repentance and give them a new heart. He will accomplish this through delivering them from a coming war that will almost destroy the world.

God disciplines His own for disobedience, but He never disowns them. We who are Christians can thank God for that, or we would have all been disowned. God has thrown his gauntlet into the arena with His promises to Israel. And Hell will freeze over before He fails to fulfill them, though the whole world tries to prevent it.
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 2007/9/15 20:10









 Re: Who owns the Holy Land (Israel) by Hal Lindsey

moe_mac,

edit (Sunday): Moe_mac, just wanted to let you know my opinion below is an opinion of Lindsey's teachings. I mean no disrespect to you for posting this.



Hal Lindsey prophesied WWIII would happen in the 70s/80s in "The Late Great Planet Earth". Russian soviets were the forces of the antichrist and were supposed to invade Israel...

In the 80s he wrote another "prophetic" book, "Countdown to Armageddon"...

This "prophet", like Van Impe, and even Wilkerson, somehow missed the breakup of the Soviet Union, the destruction of two space shuttles, 9/11, etc...

Now, Lindsey's "prophesying" that Islamic fundamentalists are the forces of antichrist...

Funny how his (and Van Impe's, LaHay's, Wilkerson's, etc) "prophecies" always seem to line up with U.S. Foreign Policy, eh?

 2007/9/16 6:19
IRONMAN
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 Slow your roll bro Corey...

Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose Blood we are Saved.AMEN.


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Hal Lindsey prophesied WWIII would happen in the 70s/80s in "The Late Great Planet Earth". Russian soviets were the forces of the antichrist and were supposed to invade Israel...



now i am not sure if bro Lindsay said that this would happen in that time frame but i will take you at your word that he did say so. obviously what bro Lindsay said hasn't happened yet but there is some truth to what he is saying (or said as it were)An examination of Ezekiel 38-39 does speak of an attack on Israel led by the Russians and made up of an alliance of Muslim nations including Persia (now Iran) Cush, (now the Sudan and parts of Somalia and Ethiopia, Syria and some others. The reason they attack is because of God's demonstration to the world (per Ezekiel 36) of the Sanctity of His Name by Saving Israel for the Sake of His Name. The attack will be unsuccessful. that isn't too far off given the goings on in geopolitics concerning that region...however, the placement of that battle is further off than we think because according to Ezekiel 36, it requires Israel to be chased out of the land for a season and upon their return, He would cleanse them of their sin and set David to rule over them. So Israel i believe will soon be cast out of the land again by a coalition of Arab states with/without Russian support the result of which will be Israel finding Jesus. This is the time of Jacob's Trouble in which many Jews will perish, 2/3 according to Zechariah.

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This "prophet", like Van Impe, and even Wilkerson, somehow missed the breakup of the Soviet Union, the destruction of two space shuttles, 9/11, etc...



i don't see what the significance of the above is so i assume it has to do with momentous occasions in history which these men didn't speak of? well, God reveals what He will to whomever He will. Israel is a central figure in God's Economy and so most prophecies concerning the future will have Israel in there somewhere if not the focus. Sure God reveals to prophets in the lands He has placed them things about their respective nations but it seems to me that He shows us something about Israel also in the process. i am sure God showed some people about 9-11, Columbia and other events also in the U.S. but these may not have gotten publicity.

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Funny how his (and Van Impe's, LaHay's, Wilkerson's, etc) "prophecies" always seem to line up with U.S. Foreign Policy, eh?



i think you ran ahead a bit here bro...slow your roll. now bro Wilkerson has predicted the end of America as we know it and i don't think he blindly advocates all U.S. foreign policy. to be sure when this happens to Israel, the U.S. will not be a factor...in fact the collapse of our own nation under the weight of sin and debt will be what emboldens the Arabs because Israel will have no other nation to stand by her...we could argue back and forth on a superficial level about whether the war in Iraq is legal/moral/whatever or not but the bottom line is God has us in there for some reason or other, now i believe it is to put us in position to receive the Judgment due us. we oft get caught up in the superficial reasons of why things happen, like the world does and the reason for that is we aren't in our seats in Heavenly Places with Jesus...if we were, we would see what is happening from His Perspective.

Grace and Peace are ours in Jesus.AMEN.


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 2007/9/16 18:49Profile









 Re: Slow your roll bro Corey...

edit:Ironman quoted Corey:[size=x-small]Hal Lindsey prophesied WWIII would happen in the 70s/80s in "The Late Great Planet Earth". Russian soviets were the forces of the antichrist and were supposed to invade Israel...[/size]


[b]Can you please copy and paste that article where Hal Lindsey gave a time and the day on Bible prophecy that was yet to be fulfilled[/b]. If he wrote that, I really would really like to see it. I have never heard Hal say anything other than "no man knows the time or the hour but it could be soon" but watch and be ready". If you have that confirmation that Hal actually said that, I would like to see it posted for myself and for others as well. It would have a big negative impact for me, in my confidence in him and his ministry as I have always been able to follow along and confirm Hal's biblical accuracy in truth in the scriptures.[u]Actually I see Hal always giving scripture with his articles and not of just lining up with US policies as an agenda. But if the shoe fits, wear it. It would be great if we all made a practice out of that in posts. The postee giving the source, as well as the article in question. It would be neccasary, especially if one is making accusations about any ministry article. There are some statements about people that I would need no article on to draw an opinion , because I have already obtained the info from their own mouth. Such as Micheal Moore and Rosie O'Donnel which are trouble makers as well as deceived. If you do have any such information to do a confirmation on Hal Lindsey, would you scan it from the book and post it and that would be great.If not, I will ignore it and count it as dung. For me to accept that as truth would be like buying a goat in a sack without opening the sack to look at the goat first. Would you do that before when you bought the goat?
Have a great day Corey.
Jesus is the way, the life and the truth.[/u].
moe_mac

 2007/9/16 19:22
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 hold up...slow your roll bro Moe

bro Moe Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose Blood we are Saved.AMEN.

you said:

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Can you please copy and paste that article where Hal Lindsey gave that time and the day on Bible prophecy yet to be fulfilled. If he said that I really need to know. I have never heard him say anything other than "no man knows the time or the hour but it could be soon" but watch and be ready". If you have that confirmation Hal said that I would like to see it posted for myself for others as well. It would have a big negative impact on my confidence in him and his ministry. If you do not have such confirmation, as you know, it probably did not need to be stated. I await the article where Hal Lindsy is guilty of what you stated.



first of all, i was quoting what bro Corey had written and if you read the rest of my post you will see what i said in response to that statement which he made. Second of all, the only thing of which it is said that no man knows the day nor the hour is the return of Jesus...

i hope that clears that up.

Grace and Peace are ours in Jesus.AMEN.


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Corey_H wrote:
moe_mac,

edit (Sunday): Moe_mac, just wanted to let you know my opinion below is an opinion of Lindsey's teachings. I mean no disrespect to you for posting this.



Hal Lindsey prophesied WWIII would happen in the 70s/80s in "The Late Great Planet Earth". Russian soviets were the forces of the antichrist and were supposed to invade Israel...

In the 80s he wrote another "prophetic" book, "Countdown to Armageddon"...

This "prophet", like Van Impe, and even Wilkerson, somehow missed the breakup of the Soviet Union, the destruction of two space shuttles, 9/11, etc...

Now, Lindsey's "prophesying" that Islamic fundamentalists are the forces of antichrist...

Funny how his (and Van Impe's, LaHay's, Wilkerson's, etc) "prophecies" always seem to line up with U.S. Foreign Policy, eh?




moe wrote:
So now I understand you was only giving an opinion of what you thought Hal preached and said but did not have to give or neither you gave a reference in audio or written document to prove Hal actually said what you thought Hal said.
No disrepect taken on part. I don't know about Hal Lindsey, if he read it?
Have a great day.
moe_mac

 2007/9/18 0:31
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Isn't the holy land God's along with all the Earth?

Miccah


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 2007/9/18 2:14Profile









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Isn't the holy land God's along with all the Earth?



Next you'll be saying the oil under the North Pole doesn't belong to Russia... hehe...

Just joking. Great point, Miccah.

 2007/9/18 2:58





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