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LiveforGod
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Brother, It was not I who acoused you of being unsaved, it was God's Word.

Brother, I just realized that we are going to keep this up until tomorow probably if we keep doing the same things we are doing.

Brother, what I am most sadened about is that some how you do not want to be responsible for the sins you commit and ommit.

I know for a fact that you know when it is that you sin.

Why can I say that, because I know what it is to be tempted. I have been there. I know what it is like to want not to read the Bible, not to pray; but I also know the joy that overcoming the temptation brings. It is a joy that makes you want to shout and praise God.

Brother just try it. You will then know why I say that a sinless life after salvation is possible.

There is allways the possibility that you might fall, but if you trust in God he is able to preserve you until the end od the World.





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Samuel

 2007/9/14 19:48Profile
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roaringlamb, LiveForGod has said nothing opposing 1 John 2:2.

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Christ is the wrath atoning sacrifice for my sins, and therefore there is no condemnation


Context.

[b]"..in Christ..."[/b]

Only if you are in Christ is there no condemnation.

[b]You cannot be in Christ and sin![/b]

This is exceedingly obvious throughout all of scripture!!!


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Matthew Miskiewicz

 2007/9/14 19:49Profile









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Romans 8:1 says that there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

Because there is condemnation for ANYONE who walks after the flesh.

 2007/9/14 19:57
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You cannot be in Christ and sin!



Then I guess we're all in trouble!!!

You know, I have been to hell and back, done this, done that. Read the right books, said the right things, Amened when I read Brengle, and Booth. Despaired of life because of my sinfulness, and wretchedness, and then something wonderful happened.

I met Christ, and realized that the just shall live by faith, and that faith given by grace will produce such sweet fruit to God because it comes through Christ, and not from my own putrid works.

I am a great sinner, and thus I need a great Saviour.

I will let you all boast of your sinlessness, and if true, then God bless you. But the Gospel is not simply a good start that I must maintain, it is the power of God unto salvation and is revealed from faith to faith. The Gospel is that Christ has died for His peoples' sins(not the world's). I am one of His people because God has had mercy upon me and given me faith else the Gospel would be foolishness to me.

As for sin in my life, you do not even know me, nor do you know if I sin or if I do not sin, and again I ask you, why do you regurgitate a couple of verses that match your agenda, but do not look at the vast sea of verses contradictory to your point. Doctrine is not built around pet verses, but rather the whole of Scripture. So far as I know, Paul did not tell any of the Churches, "now that you know Christ, get rid of every sin, or you will not be saved!" And usually your pet verses that try to make Paul say this, are not structured that way in the Greek, as they mean more than a simple act, but rather an abiding in that sin.

Justification is a legal declaration of my righteousness based upon Christ's merit and His death in my place and His resurrection in my place. By the new birth, I have been joined to Him never to be separated.

Here's some verse to chew on-
Romans 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


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patrick heaviside

 2007/9/14 20:13Profile
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roaringlamb, your post saddens me...

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and again I ask you, why do you regurgitate a couple of verses that match your agenda, but do not look at the vast sea of verses contradictory to your point. Doctrine is not built around pet verses, but rather the whole of Scripture.



Why do you accuse this?

How many passage would you like?
From how many different writers?
From how many different books?
Any book in particular?

A letter of Paul?
A letter of Peter?
A letter of James?
A letter of John?
A letter of Jude?
A psalm of David?
A proverb of Solomon?
A prophecy of Ezekiel?
A parable of Jesus?
A prayer of Jesus?
A promise of Jesus?


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Matthew Miskiewicz

 2007/9/14 20:37Profile
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I met Christ, and realized that the just shall live by faith, and that faith given by grace will produce such sweet fruit to God because it comes through Christ, and not from my own putrid works.




"Man is nothing: he hath a free will to go to hell, but none to go to heaven, till God worketh in him to will and to do his good pleasure"

- George Whitefield to John Wesley

Take courage, dear brother :-)



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Paul Frederick West

 2007/9/14 21:27Profile
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How many passage would you like?
From how many different writers?
From how many different books?
Any book in particular?



Any that you wish, because the whole of Scripture centers around God's plan to save His people through Christ, not because of them or anything special about them.

You can post, and we can debate.


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patrick heaviside

 2007/9/14 21:33Profile
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Take courage, dear brother



Amidst the clash of swords comes a soothing balm.

Thank you brother Paul, and may Christ our Lord bless you and your wife.


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patrick heaviside

 2007/9/14 21:35Profile
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Any that you wish, because the whole of Scripture centers around God's plan to save His people through Christ, not because of them or anything special about them.



Brother, It is because of us that he died, sin in us, and his Love toward us made him die for us to deliver us from the power of sin.

Brother we are not saying that we can atain salvation by our own selfs, but through Christ it is that we have life, and power to obercome all sin.

It is not by our own strenghts, but by God living in us. Our only purupose is to please God, not men. To Glorify him allways in everythinh we do, wheter we eat or drink.


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Samuel

 2007/9/14 21:46Profile
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Brother, It is because of us that he died, sin in us, and his Love toward us made him die for us to deliver us from the power of sin.

Brother we are not saying that we can attain salvation by our own selfs, but through Christ it is that we have life, and power to overcome all sin.



Yes, and that death applied to person, and the faith given to receive it, assures that what God has started, He will finish.

I am sure that you too have found that things that once were acceptable have become sinful as you have matured in Christ, so if that is so, would you have perished had you died then?


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patrick heaviside

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