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Joined: 2006/8/12
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Hmm. Put down your weapons. I'm just asking for some nice warm conversation about this translation.

My basis for your participation in this thread is 2 fold. (Obeying these two scriptures)

Colossians 3:8 (NASB)
But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth.

Colossians 4:6 (NASB)
Let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person.

Now, I used 'NASB' because it has more credability, and my personal favorite. But recently I've come across the TNIV through my Bible college (don't forget the two scriptures above). Some of our books highly endource this new version, which to me is 'innocent till proven guilty'.

I went to a few different websites trying to find out some critism on this 'gender-neutral' version but much of the critism seems to be lacking in their statements.

For example, one said '7 reasons why' not to have a TNIV or NIV, well, truth-be-told, that link only had 2 reasons why not to and 5 suggestions to 'protest' NIV and such.

So, please, line upon line. What are some 'major' problems with this version? Gender-neutral, to me, isn't a 'major' so please refrain quoting those passages.

*My reasoning for this is just to glean from SI's wealth of knowledge of this subject, hopefully*

 2007/9/8 22:53Profile

Joined: 2006/7/5
Posts: 640


Some of my professors at CBC in Springfield Mo. said that if it wasn't for the "Gender Neutral" renderings the TNIV would actually be a better translation than the NIV.

Just a thought

SI Moderator - Jeremy Hulsey

 2007/9/8 23:19Profile


In salvation in Jesus and ones ability to be saved by the the blood of Jesus it is not difficult to find a scriptural basis for gender neutrality in Christ. As for the church structure and church authority and the question often asked, does a man a women have instructions for any variation in gender for church rolls and offices ordained by God in HIS church and do we see the same gender neutrality there as well, in all things? Do we? Many use this scripture when addressing gender neutrality giving authorization to women in church leadership and for preaching of the gospel as an ordained minister:
Gal 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

If one used that passage in everything what would we do with HIS church, would it allow men to marry men and women to married women:

And then what would we do with this one?
Rom 1:24-27
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
5 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

If one look at gender neutrality in all matters of the church structure, one would have to do away with some passages in the Bible and we know that is not right. The truth is all the scripture confirms each other:

1 Tim 3:1-4
3:1 Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, he desires a noble task. 2 Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect.

Through Christ as christians we have overcome some of the punishment that was given for sin of Adam and Eve being deceived in the garden but until we physically die is it completed? Does women still have pain in childbirth. Does man still return to dust until the day of redemption? Does man still earn his living by the sweat of his face?

Gen 3:14-19
14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Then we would have to ask ourselves does any of this punishemnt still exist before a christian is absent from the body and present with the Lord?

Then one might have a picture to biblically discern the knowledge to make the call on gender neutrality interpretation if they were not concerned with what they wanted but what God said then if it was interpreted in all things and if one preached gender neutrality in all things, he would have to omit Romans 1:23-28 when he preached the sermon. And then what would he do when he read: Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

As for me, I [u]would not use or approve of a gender neutral Bible[/u]. But Paul said if a man wants to be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

 2007/9/8 23:59

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Does anyone have any other experiences with this version of the bible?

 2007/9/13 16:42Profile

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