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running2win
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I've often noticed personally that when I try to raise an issue of doctrine before others, those in your immediate fellowship that are first to use the "Why can't we all just get along?" line of thinking are those whom you know are not really at full 100% in their walk with God.

I don't know if this is an assuption about me or not.........................
:-? :-(
In any case God knows my heart for Him and I'll let it rest at that.

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2007/9/7 9:39

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I've often noticed personally that when I try to raise an issue of doctrine before others, those in your immediate fellowship that are first to use the "Why can't we all just get along?" line of thinking are those whom you know are not really at full 100% in their walk with God.

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One consistant factor I've seen among Arminians who eventually shifted towards a Calvanist leaning (myself included) is that there is a coupling between intense Berean-level study of the Word as well as contemplation of what it is going to mean practically.

I dont think we can say that everyone who is not as concerned about doctrine as some of us are are not walking with the Lord.

I also dont believe for a minute that Calvinists are the only ones who study the Word at a Berean-level. This smacks of "If you dont believe exactly as I do, you're not a true Christian". That type of attitude is as detrimental to Christian unity as anything else we could mention.

Boy... there sure is a lot of pride on this thread.

Krispy

2007/9/7 9:48

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I've often noticed personally that when I try to raise an issue of doctrine before others, those in your immediate fellowship that are first to use the "Why can't we all just get along?" line of thinking are those whom you know are not really at full 100% in their walk with God.

I've often noticed personally that those who cling militantly to their 5 point doctrine have no more a reality of the kingdom of God in their lives then the pharisees. They think they have eternal life in their doctrine (because if I can figure out that God elects certain men in the way Calvinism teaches then I most certainly MUST be one of those elected men) but they know not the power or reality of the kingdom of God and have not been born again.

Before anyone starts huffing and puffing the exact same thing can be said for the other camp as well. I only am pointing out Calvinism because it is the subject at hand and specifically to refute the absurd comment quoted. Again, the majority of professed believers are not saved, those that are saved are living way below the basic NT Chrsitianity level and this included Calvinists who are the subject of this thread.

In Christ - Jim

2007/9/7 10:46

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Before anyone starts huffing and puffing the exact same thing can be said for the other camp as well. I only am pointing out Calvinism because it is the subject at hand and specifically to refute the absurd comment quoted. Again, the majority of professed believers are not saved, those that are saved are living way below the basic NT Chrsitianity level and this included Calvinists who are the subject of this thread.

Hey Elijah,

I see a Juniper tree and a cave in your future. :-)

2007/9/7 11:24

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Wow... twice this week I've agreed with Jim on something! Krispy

2007/9/7 11:53

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KrispyKrittr wrote:
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I've often noticed personally that when I try to raise an issue of doctrine before others, those in your immediate fellowship that are first to use the "Why can't we all just get along?" line of thinking are those whom you know are not really at full 100% in their walk with God.

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One consistant factor I've seen among Arminians who eventually shifted towards a Calvanist leaning (myself included) is that there is a coupling between intense Berean-level study of the Word as well as contemplation of what it is going to mean practically.

I dont think we can say that everyone who is not as concerned about doctrine as some of us are are not walking with the Lord.

I also dont believe for a minute that Calvinists are the only ones who study the Word at a Berean-level. This smacks of "If you dont believe exactly as I do, you're not a true Christian". That type of attitude is as detrimental to Christian unity as anything else we could mention.

Boy... there sure is a lot of pride on this thread.

Krispy

Hi again Krispy

Many of us tend to think we are contending for God's Truth when we are merely contending for partial truth - our understanding of one aspect of Truth. This can easily lead to the conclusion that anyone who doesn't agree with us isn't a "Berean" and doesn't know or study the Scriptures properly.

Setting forth and studying doctrine is simply the attempt of our finite minds to analyse, categorise and understand something of the Word of God.

That's usually a good thing of course, and part of being a true "Berean". It's when we proclaim our limited understanding as the whole Truth on that subject, and insist that others accept this, (and label them heretics if they don't), that there are problems.

We do need to have a good understanding, hold to and contend for major doctrines, such as the nature of God, and that Jesus died for our sins. But the exact hows and whys of it, of which Calvinism is one view, is not what we should be contending for.

In Him

Jeannette

2007/9/7 14:54

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Jeannette... uhmmm, yea... thats kinda what I was trying to say... lol. Krispy

2007/9/7 15:00

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KrispyKrittr wrote:
Jeannette... uhmmm, yea... thats kinda what I was trying to say... lol.

Krispy

Perhaps if we say it enough times, in different ways, people will get the message? 8-)

Jeannette

2007/9/7 15:07

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KrispyKrittr wrote:
Boy... there sure is a lot of pride on this thread.

i think its called sin.

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2007/9/7 15:11

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The reformed doctrine is all about Christ. You mischaracterize the heart of some who follow the doctrine. I'm sorry you haven't met loving reformed people. I'd like to introduce myself and I know many, many others. Two of the most well known speakers I know are two of the most loving active Christians I've ever seen Arminian or Christian.... John Piper and Paul Washer. There are many, many, many. At the same time, as Paul Washer has said, there are many Arminians who have lived far above their theology and many Calvinist who have lived far below theirs. Holding the correct doctrine means nothing if Christ is not being formed in you.

2007/9/7 20:08

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