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 Re: Ron Paul on Home School

Ron Paul has no hope in being elected. The reason, his ethics mirrow the Scriptures more closely than any candidate since Jimmy Carter.

In Christ
Jeff


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Jeff Marshalek

 2007/8/29 23:07Profile









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ccchhhrrriiisss wrote:
I disagree. There are [u]several[/u] choices. The question is whether or not Ron Paul is the "best" choice.

Nonetheless, I am fervently praying for our nation as we move closer to this election. My biggest concerns lay with the possible appointments of activist federal judges (including those on the Supreme Court).:-)




[color=0099AA]moe wrote:
Amen on praying for enough people, not to be so deceived, as to elect someone who will nominate more activist judges for the liberals senators to appoint, but let us all remember who did appoint most of the liberal judges we have now. We certainly don't want to elect someone who will ignore the principles of God has in HIS WORD and deceive many by saying "I believe".
I am neither speaking for Ron or against him. I really only know what I have read on SI about him. What I am saying is believing alone isn't enough evidence to get my vote. We sure don't want them if they have the: "what God got to do with it attitude". It is very important to see some evidence of their faith, such as wanting to pleasing to God than men and even wanting to be pleasing to HIM more than to be the president. That type candidate would not be what the world called a good politican and if he got elected he probably would have a very very low approval rating in this present world :-D
James 2:19-20
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
KJV[/color]

 2007/8/29 23:15









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Corey where you get all these articles at. I see moderator traits in you. if SI ever has a vacant spot.



LOL!!! I'm controversial, opinionistic, impatient... an ex-bartender currently waiting tables full time...and I hate positions of responsibility or authority...

Thanks brother, but modding's not in my DNA. Hehe.

 2007/8/29 23:53









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Hey guys, where can I find the bible passage where the NT Church voted for the Roman government? The only thing I can find in Church history is in the reign of Constantine when the institutional babylon whore church system was founded by merging those were the true Church with the roman government...

I would agree that we only have one option for 2008, but that it is prayer, not a mortal man.

In Christ - Jim

 2007/8/30 8:36









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Actually, Jim, Paul was a Roman citizen who exercised his rights, especially when he was being held captive in Roman prisons.

I think it's naive to think that we should not vote. If your comfortable with what would happen to this world if Christians were completely uninvolved in everything... then go ahead.

But as for me, my way of fighting the murder of unborn children is with my vote, as well as being involved in crisis pregnancy ministries.

There is no prohibition against voting and bring involved in government in the Bible. Some Christians act as tho if it isnt mentioned in scripture, then it's prohibited. Thats a very poor way to approach scripture.

Today we like to think of ourselves as spiritual giants if we refuse to vote, bash America (I hear more Christians bashing America now than I do leftist hippies!) etc... but I dont think that makes one spiritually mature, I think that makes one an ostrich.

As far as Christians needing to vote Republican... I dont know if y'all have noticed, but there isnt much difference between the parties anymore.

Krispy

 2007/8/30 8:53









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Actually, Jim, Paul was a Roman citizen who exercised his rights, especially when he was being held captive in Roman prisons.



Doesn't say much about voting though

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think it's naive to think that we should not vote. If your comfortable with what would happen to this world if Christians were completely uninvolved in everything... then go ahead.



I am less comfortable with this world where Christians vote but dont spend hours weeping in prayer.

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But as for me, my way of fighting the murder of unborn children is with my vote, as well as being involved in crisis pregnancy ministries.



See above comment

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There is no prohibition against voting and bring involved in government in the Bible. Some Christians act as tho if it isnt mentioned in scripture, then it's prohibited. Thats a very poor way to approach scripture



I agree to an extent, and I know that great men of God such as Finney promoted Christian voting, I am more concerned with the right wing republican christian garbage.

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Today we like to think of ourselves as spiritual giants if we refuse to vote, bash America (I hear more Christians bashing America now than I do leftist hippies!) etc... but I dont think that makes one spiritually mature, I think that makes one an ostrich.



I think it makes one jealous for the glory of God and true New Testament Christianity, compeltely dissatisfied with the formation of babylon (our so called church system in America that is intertwined with our antichrist government)

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As far as Christians needing to vote Republican... I dont know if y'all have noticed, but there isnt much difference between the parties anymore.



I leave on a high note sir, I agree with this statement.

In Christ - Jim

 2007/8/30 9:07









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I am less comfortable with this world where Christians vote but dont spend hours weeping in prayer.



You cant just cast a blanket judgement on all American believers. You dont know who spends hours weeping in prayer, and who doesnt.

Krispy

 2007/8/30 9:51









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Hey guys, where can I find the bible passage where the NT Church voted for the Roman government? The only thing I can find in Church history is in the reign of Constantine when the institutional babylon whore church system was founded by merging those were the true Church with the roman government...

I would agree that we only have one option for 2008, but that it is prayer, not a mortal man.

In Christ - Jim



AMEN.

 2007/8/30 9:57
ccchhhrrriiisss
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Hi jimdied2sin...

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I am less comfortable with this world where Christians vote but dont spend hours weeping in prayer.

I suspect that most of us from SI who happen to vote will only do so [u]AFTER[/u] spending hours weeping in prayer.

This country is sinking deeper to Hell. When compared to much of the rest of the world (in terms of freedom of faith and morality), I realize that I don't WANT this country to look like other countries (particularly Europe). As a married man who cares deeply for his wife, I will exercise my vote -- which is simply my voice about what matters most.

Our national leaders do not come to power following a [i]coup d'état[/i]. Rather, they are elected into their position by an accumulation of single votes. We are provided the opportunity to provide our voice to the people of this government. Why squander the opportunity only to complain later?

Ironically, the people who tend to complain the loudest AFTER an election are either the ones who voted for the other candidate OR the ones who didn't even vote at all. The former have a right to voice their criticisms. While their party didn't win, they don't want to lose their beliefs. They tend to shout louder and more often. The latter (the ones who failed to vote), however, suddenly feel empowered to make their voice heard only AFTER the election. Why offer a voice now about the condition and laws of this nation if you failed to do anything to prevent it from happening in the first place?

A great majority of Americans believe that a great majority of Americans are pro-abortion. Why? The statistics can be interpreted either way. While a slight majority believe in limited freedom of abortion (i.e. to protect the life of the mother), the vast majority believe in limits to abortion. Yet the pro-abortion crowd rallies YEAR ROUND about the dangers of losing their "rights." They offer slanted statistics to validate their cause. And the American Christians? Oh, a few show up to rallies. Many of them, however, are a little, uh, "strange."

Believers seem quite content to watch the world move around them and neglect to feel "called" to get involved. Yet they feel the "liberty" to complain about the godlessness of the present changing age. They argue that since the darkness is inevitable -- why try to stop it? Yet they fail to remember godly men like William Wilberforce, George Whitefield, Lyman Beecher and Charles Finney -- who were some of the most vocal opponents of slavery. Believers in that day also felt the Lord's return was imminent -- yet still remained hopeful for a move of God in this present world. What makes us think that the merciless slaughter of unborn children is not just as noble or worthwhile a cause?

- I choose to vote BECAUSE it will reflect my voice to this nation.
- I choose to vote BECAUSE I want to provide a better life for my wife and future children.
- I choose to vote BECAUSE of the permissiveness of sinful lifestyles over the past few decades -- and the desire by certain political parties to embrace the lifestyle as "normal" itself.
- I choose to vote so that my future children might be protected from laws protecting dangerous individuals.
- I choose to vote so that my "freedoms" are not limited to the spiritual realm.
- I choose to vote so that history does not repeat itself (ala WWI and WWII), along with the atrocities committed.
- I choose to vote so that America, this once "shining city on a hill," will not resemble the religious apathy of Europe.
- I choose to vote so that this nation's judges will not shut out the world of God and legally replace it with godless humanism.
- I choose to vote so that my wife and future children will not see pornography on billboards outside of our home that is protected because it is considered "artistically tasteful."
- I choose to vote because I see that the situation merits enough importance that I should participate.

Religious isolation and non-involvement have never worked very well. The groups that long for the isolation tend to end up getting involved anyway via the "secondhand smoke" of the legal system. In fact, even the Amish have lawyers now (in order to protect them from encroaching laws). Ask any church or ministry that has ever been sued -- and you'll realize how "involved" you already are. Ask any street preacher who has needed help in the legal system after having been arrested for preaching in public.

While I'm not certain which candidate I will vote for in November 2008, I can assure you that (at all costs) I will cast a vote. My country and family are far too important for me to neglect doing so.

:-)


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 2007/8/30 10:45Profile
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Although abortion is a miserable wicked thing, there are also other issues of righteousness that we should consider as well.

But the scriptures clearly teach the following as being wicked:

- Lying
- Flattering
- Not honoring your word
- Being a hypocrite
- Living beyond your means
- Going into debt
- Being wasteful
- Stealing
- Rewarding laziness
- Divorce and adultery

These are all issues of righteousness, and issues of character. Almost every presidential candidate (and most politicians) will fail on most, if not all of these issues, except for Ron Paul. A cursory glance at Proverbs clearly shows that these are also values that God holds and should be considered "Biblical" along with defending the unborn.

 2007/8/30 11:02Profile





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