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...What exactly is it that you are attempting to do here? Are you trying to be a help or do you only care about pointing out how spiritually blind we all are in your estimation?....
I am doing exactly what Jesus Christ has comissioned me to do. That is to walk in his power, and use His name. And to declare the Word of God to the entire world. I stumbled across this website, and noticed how full of anger, and deception it was. And I decided to show some Scriptures to the ignorant here who have refused the Spirit in times past in their lives. I did just that, because Jesus would have me to do it. You can call me a false teacher, you can say that I'm wrong. But when you do that, then you are indeed calling Christ a liar as well. Because everything I have said about the Scriptures, is something God himself has said. I will continue to pray for all of you guys who refuse the truth. I can not carry this on any longer, even the Lord couldn't reason with people at times, so I surely know that this is one of those times when those I'm speaking to are so far from the Truth, I have to just put it into my prayer time, and allow the Lord of the Harvest to take over from here. I pray you all become more knowledgeable in His Word.
A Son of God Forever,
Mitch Miller |
|  2004/7/6 8:49 | |
| | One Last Thing | | This Post also started because of the clip that was posted. Its interesting though, how the clip is put together to be shown as being one church service. But its not just one service, its at least two services. Look at the suit Brother Hagin is wearing when it starts, and look at the Suit he is wearing towards the end. We go from a grey suit, to a black suit? I mean come on, if you doctor things together like this, how on Earth can you sit and call yourself a Child of God? |
| | 2004/7/6 9:08 | |
| | My Aplogies | | A Dear Brother in Christ has given me some insight today. I do not agree with most everyone in this post. But I am sorry for any criticisms that I might have passed towards you, I hold no grudges, I do not wish any harm to come to any of you. Romans 14 has been a great help to me this day. So to you Brother who directed me there, I thank you. Again I say, that if any have been hurt by my words, I am sorry. I ask your forgiveness. If we do not agree, its understandable, I will speak the Word of God, proclaim it from the mountains if need be. But it is not my job to critcize. I will keep you all in my prayers, May the Lord be with you all forever.
Your Brother in Christ,
Mitch Miller |
| | 2004/7/6 9:25 | | lwpray
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Speaking with authority, speaking on behalf of the Lord Jesus, speaking his mind and heart is diametrically opposed to the authoritarian manifestations produced to master a universe and its laws and powers by mind power and fleshly ambition which some call faith.
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| | 2004/7/6 10:21 | Profile | jeremyhulsey
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I did just that, because Jesus would have me to do it. You can call me a false teacher, you can say that I'm wrong. But when you do that, then you are indeed calling Christ a liar as well.
We are not calling Christ the liar, but we would certainly say that you are not hearing from Christ.
We have posted specific statements from Hagin proving that he was false, yet you completely ignore them even after you've asked for them. You're only defense is some ambigous statements before his death that could mean anything. Mitch, if I stood up in my church and said that some were going to be brought to tears by the end of the year I would have a pretty good shot at being right even with a small congregation as my church. Nostradamous was more specific than this. Yet when we look at the specific prophecies of Hagin we see that they were very false, and we see no evidence of repentance from them. The only thing you can say about the clip is that it is from two different services, so what? It just shows two different services where Hagin is making false statements.
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And I decided to show some Scriptures to the ignorant here who have refused the Spirit in times past in their lives.
Where?? I'm still waiting for some scriptures from you and a decent instruction from you in those scriptures. All you have posted have been ambiguous statements and accusations against the people on this site.
You attacked A.W. Tozer calling him false because he assaults the false understanding you have of Hebrews chapter 11. You probably by into the lie that faith is an actual substance because of the antiquated language of the KJV. All Tozer was saying that the Bible gives demonstrations not definitions. And please do a study on Hebrews 11 before you make any more false accusations. You'll find that the true understanding of that passage is a lot better than the way it's taught at Rhema(another word that faith people don't understand).
If you do post on this thread any longer, please type something worth reading. Don't tell us you are giving scriptures, actually give some. And please be specific. Thanks.
In Christ,
Jeremy Hulsey
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| | 2004/7/6 10:55 | Profile | sermonindex
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The first time that I heard it preached was by a man named Paul Schell (if you really want to talk about heresy in the church, check out this guy). Half the extremely charismatic church walked out half way through the sermon.
Brother Aaron thank you for your post there was alot of helpful information in it. I would just ask you this one thing in light of the quote above. Why would you put yourself in a situation where you are listening to teachers that are obviously teaching falsities and even at times forcing you to walk out under vexation of spirit due to false precepts being shown. Why do we allow wolves among our midst and act like this can be normal christianity. I don't mean this against you dear brother directly but rather im trying to raise a bigger point that is happening in our day.
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Of coures the way I speak, and the way Brother Hagin and many other Christians today speak sound different from those guys you so admire from the Past. As I said, one of those heretics you like so much, has gone to the point of saying that there is no definition of Faith anywhere in the Bible, EVEN after reading Hebrews 11. Its obvious, talking to you, is not something that can continue. You are so blinded, that you are following a man, who just removes parts of Gods Word when he sees fit. I would have to think that perhaps he had bad things happen in his life, and instead of admitting he was weak, he made God weak.
Ok if we are all blind and following false teachers ourselves why even fellowship among us. I really see no substance in your posts, just a weariness in our position in God and your prayers which seem more like accustations of our spiritual walk in God. I think as Jeremy stated either just start posting in response to actual quotes and also start posting the bible that you so highly esteem or really I don't think this discssion deserves that much more time in the direction its going. I say this humbly and respectfully.
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| | 2004/7/6 11:15 | Profile | crsschk
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| | Re: My Aplogies | | Would like to address that an apology has been presented here and though the allusion to Romans 14 notwithstanding, albeit curious in light of the other comments made, will take it at face value.
I too apologize for any inferences I drew early on that looking back I can see where they could have been provocative and given that same impression, one of putting you Mitch in a bad light, it was not my intention.
Unnecessary criticism's are just that, unnecessary.
But issues are issues and when they are of a serious nature as many of us would believe what is transpiring in the church of our day is necessary for examination, then we should deal with them and not sweep them under a rug in the name of unity. Yet we should stay clear of letting the topic's themselves deteriorate into character assassination and other unpleasantries.
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| | 2004/7/6 11:39 | Profile |
| | Re: | | Thank you very much for hearing my apology. Althought I can say that some of the clips I heard on here, such as the ones from Tozer, and the man who taught one on Beware of the Dogs, are not scriptual in the least, I can not judge the man. Did they go on to heaven? I do not know, because as I've said, I can not speak for God's mercy and grace. However I can judge the Word, and can tell you they are wrong in what they said.
However, seeing as how this Thread was started based on a clip of Brother Hagin that no one can deny has been altered for personal gain by someone who does not like him. I do not see anymore need to post here. I enjoyed the lively debate, I hope God will bless you all. And perhaps I will see you on other forums and threads.
Yours in Christ Jesus,
Mitch Miller |
| | 2004/7/6 11:57 | | shazbot
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| | Re: Hagin | | I have seen this for myself, in person. I went to one of his conferences, unaware and uninformed. When he and others in the congregation started doing this, I felt very awkward. I did not know what to think. I could find no scriptural basis for this activity. I asked a spiritual mentor of mine about it, and he said that it was perfectly fine. I still respect my mentor, but I must disagree. Somehow, this just doesn't "feel right" to me. The Spirit of God shouldn't make Christians uncomfortable and awkward in this way. Because a Christian has the Holy Spirit in them, it should feel natural.
But this did not.
Please note that the above post is an opinion only and may or may not reflect the truth. |
| | 2004/7/6 13:18 | Profile | ZekeO
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| | Re: | | Good Evening to everyone,
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shazbot wrote:
I could find no scriptural basis for this activity... this just doesn't "feel right" to me. The Spirit of God shouldn't make Christians uncomfortable and awkward in this way. Because a Christian has the Holy Spirit in them, it should feel natural.
In response to that, is there scriptual basis for that activity not being a valid. I do agree with you when it comes to the discernment of Spirit, he does give us witness to the truth. Sometimes though I believe that what he does can fall outside of our paradigms of what God the Holy Spirit can and cannot do. Then we do find us being uneasy or even frightened. An example of this would probably be when God came down on mount Sinnai. The community said, hey Moses you talk to God this sight is to heavy us.(Heavily paraphrased)
But if anything I tend to lean more to your opinion on things, He does after all lead us into all truth.
God Bless you
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