yes please end it mods before more heap up damnation for themselves through this cursed thread...

I cant even believe what I am reading... openly endorsing witchcraft, encouraging others to poison the minds of children with it, and then their are those who are speaking the truth, but lack the grace of our Lord and have stirred great dissention among the brethren.

If I have caused undue harm to any person through a lack of grace in this thread then I apologize. I was not instantly and completely sanctified when I was born of heaven and I am glad I had trustworthy brethren around to rebuke me when I was compromised with unclean things...

I admonish, in brotherly love, all here who have openly and publicly supported witchcraft by downplaying it to repent immediately. I leave with the same scripture I have posted several times (and nobody seems to have come up with a reply for it to tell me that I am wrong)

Ephesians 5
11Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.

witchcraft = fruitless deed of darkness
speaking aginst HP = exposing it
reading, enjoying, sticking up for HP = shameful

In Christ - Jim

Let us not down play sin

we are to holy as he is holy

who are to say we stronger then other.
We are have nothing to do with.
I don't care if you haev a background our not
stay away. It is wicked

I am praying
in his love
charlene

I pray we will repent NOW

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Dom, please don't feel badly of how this thread got heated. It's calming down now and GOD will use it and is presently, very much so.
It's not because 'you' started the thread, but because God used your heart to be the one to bring this up. If you can just see that HE will bring much fruit from this and is watching over all of His children on here, even to the mending of some relationships, that we needed mending.

Step away from the fact that "you" started it, because I don't believe "you" did. You were just the vessel here.

Look at the pages more objectively and you will see miracles happening between some of us folks.

You and I just wept for Worm and have gained yet another deeper understanding for another brother here.

And then the apologies that also brought tears to some of our eyes.

Step back and see the bigger picture as HE does. It's really neat what HE does with what we think is an impossible tradgedy or MESS.

No, you didn't start this Dom --- I know HE did and I'm sure the others feel that way too.

Bless Him and step back and whatever it is that is going on here will definitely be for His Greatest Glory ... you watch and see.

And besides that, how many people do you think are out there praying for this place right now and since it's inception and even before then.

HEY, this whole shabang is HIM, so none can take the Glory or Blame. Bless your heart always and LORD strenghten it for the days ahead.

Much Love.

Annie

Saints,

"Our homeward path lies through a world captivating and ensnaring. The world, chameleon-like, can assume any color, and, Proteus-like, any shape, suitable to its purpose and answerable to its end. There is not a mind, a conscience, or a taste, to which it cannot accommadate itself. For the gross, it has sensual pleasures; for the refined, it has polished enjoyments; for the thoughtful, it has intellectual delights; for the enterprising, it has bold, magnificent schemes. The child of God feels this engrossing power; he is conscious of this seductive influence. Worldly applause-who is entirely proof against its power? Human adulation-who can resist its incense? Creature power-who is free from its captivation? Love of worldly ease and respectability, influence and position-a liking to glide smoothly along the sunny tide of the world's good opinion-who is clad in a coat of mail so impervious as to resist these attacks? Have not the mightiest fallen before them? Such are some only of the many ensnaring influences which weave themselves around the path of the celestial traveller, often extorting from him the humiliating acknowledgment-"My soul cleaves unto the dust." In this category we may include things which, though they are in themselves of a lawful nature, are yet of an earthly tendency, deteriorative of the life of God in the soul. What heavenly mind is not sadly sensible of this? Our ever-foremost, sleepless, subtle foe stands by and says, "This is lawful, and you may freely and unrestrictedly indulge yourself in it." But another and a solemn voice is heard issuing from the sacred oracle of truth-"All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient." And yet how often we are forced to learn the lesson, that things lawful may, in their wrong indulgence and influence, become unlawful, through the spiritual leanness which they engender in the soul! Oh, it is a narrow path which conducts us back to Paradise. But our Lord and Master made it so; He Himself has trodden it, "leaving us an example that we should follow his steps;" and He, too, is sufficient for its straitness. Yes; such is the gravitating tendency to earth of the carnal nature within us, we are ever prone and ever ready, at each bland smile of the world, and at each verdant, sunny spot of the wilderness, to retire into the circle of self complaisance and self-indulgence, and take up our rest where, from the polluted and unsatisfying nature of all earthly things, real rest can never be found. Thus may even lawful affections and lawful enjoyments, lawful pursuits and pleasures, wring the confession from the lips of a heavenly minded man-"My soul cleaves unto the dust."

Octavius Winslow December 7

Murray

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I have a confession, I was just trying to be witty, with the whole "nurse" thing, I was trying to ease the tension between me and Krispy, to make him laugh, to make you and Dom laugh, to bring levity through the whole thing, and I did not realize that would not see the satire in what I was writing and I deeply apologize.

Words, writing words is my business, my "tent-making"...mind you now, when I write serious, I always make my writing for the Glory of the Lord, but I didnt mean to "fool" you, I was just making satire, please forgive me, didnt mean to bring tears to your eyes.

But now I'll be very real with you, I'll share with you SOME of my testimony. My mother, right at this second, garners a living off of reading people's (she calls them "clients") astrological charts, and tarot cards, ever since I was a boy. She was also an adulterer, my father also. They divorced when I was 5, he remarried a fellow alcoholic, who despised me, because I guess I was......me. Adults and their sin, huh?

Even at 7, I knew that astrology and tarot cards were from the devil, I prefer the Hebrew word, abaddon, the destroyer. Even at 7, I knew my mother was fooling herself, love her as I did, how could she, a mere human being, "predict" the future? That's anti-God. What I enjoyed, as a child was studying the Bible, learning Hebrew, attending religious school.....loved it since I was 7, still do, God be praised.

I have since begged her in recent years to throw away this mess, throw away the charts and the cards, because I believe....no, I know, that the evil spirits within this nonsense have so consumed her, that she is one of the most extreme cases of a narscisstic personality I have ever witnessed, in fact I can't figure out whether she's mentally ill, demon possessed or both. She has within her the most hateful, hatefilled spirit I've ever heard...I once asked her, recently, "why don't you have friends?" and she said "F@#& friends".

But God protects, and He has certainly protected me, since I regarded all this stuff as nonsense, not even worthy of consideration, since I can see very clearly the horrible spiritual ramifications of induldging in such. To me, its the equivelant of placing two glasses in front of me when I'm thirsty, one filled with freshly made lemonade and one filled with liquid drano.

It doesnt take a lot of discernment to know the one I would slake my thirst with.

I was in the military at an early age, and came back home from leave at boot camp. Now my friends, prior to this had been involved in long hours of playing dungeons and dragons, which I found mind-bendingly boring. (I always preferred complex military strategies games, in the 70's these were boardgames, now one can get the best war college computer strategy games...but that's my form of diversion..anyway) when I returned, in uniform, fit and clear-eyed, two of my friends and I decided to have a 2 AM breakfast....near the restuarant, one of my friends silently walked off and leaned against a fence, I asked the other friend what was the matter, he shook his head, said nothing, I approached the leaning friend, gently tapped him, and asked, "hey bud, whats the matter". Now since these boys liked to ingest LSD, I thought he was either having a bad trip or a flashback. The minute I touched him, his head sprang up and his eyes were lifeless, the hairs on the back of my neck stood up and for no explainable reason I ran, as did my friend, right into the restuarant. I quickly sat at the counter, buried my head in my arms, and then I heard him enter talking in a voice, that was not of this world, and a langauge I couldn't even recognize, except to say that it vaguely sounded semitic, and very certainly evil and maleorific. I knew right then, he had a demon in him. My other friend stood his ground and said, "You are not of this world and I command you to leave immediately!!! etc etc etc. I'm telling you, everyone in the restuarant could feel the evil, after this insanely stupid and unneseccary encounter lasted for maybe two, three minutes, my demon possessed friend stalked off, and was arrested outside for curfew violation.

I will not bore with the subsequent details, except to say, that while I was in boot camp, these two sneaker geniuses had decided to go worship and be disciples at a satanic temple, I kid you not. Praise God this "temple" is no longer at the location it was then, but it was real and they had fallen in with a "satanic high priest" by the name of orduin, as I believe this hellbound satanic follower was named.

I never had any interest in this foulness. these two men, where are they today? The demon possessed lad, I saw maybe 15 years ago, when I was asked by the other guy to go rescue him in a major city that I lived nearby, because he had become a degenerate gambler and casino dealer in Las Vegas who was on the run from men he owed money too. When I laid eyes on him I was shocked, dirty teeth, and wearing dress shoes with no socks. I let him stay at my place for one night, off he went and I have never seen him since.....and this was a kid from an upper class family, with SAT scores of 1500. The other friend now writes and directs grade z straight to video horror and slasher films, the last of which he cast his 6 year old daughter in as a flesh-eating undead zombie. Needless to say, him and I rarely speak. It's not that I don't want to talk to him, I am always willing to love and be there for this man, but he knows what I feel about his "artistic" efforts, I think they are satanic filth, he knows I'm a follower of Jesus, and he knows just how I regard such offerings.

and I praise and thank God for making such junk, reflexively and spirtually repulsive to me.

So, I'm not surprised about the harry potter series, just as I'm not surprised about "american idol" or donald trump and his cult of wealth, or any of the junk and dross that passes itself off as "popular culture".

Seriously brethern, what do you expect from the world?

There's a reason the gate is narrow, and I don;t say that in a spirtually superior way, but more in the vein of contrite gratitude that He loved me so much as to cut me OUT from the pack, and to love me so, and protect me, to entitle me to His boundless provisions that we have in Jesus, Lamb of God, the final Pascal Lamb. There IS Power in the Blood, there is none in this potter junk.


and thats why its called free will. Either one is a son of the Light, or a son of darkness.

So Annie, Dom, please accept my apologies at having what I deemed to be a "harmless" rib, a bit of satire, please forgive me, its late now, and I send my love in Christ, to all.

Worm, it's O.K.. Don't think about it again. It's forgiven entirely.

What I feel is the hurt that so many men feel because of "mothers" and sometimes just parents. We have to forgive them, yes, definitely, but we've got to recognize their affects in us.

Yes, us woman too, but I think it's the opposite gender that affects us more.

A strong personalitied mother can reek havoc on the developing "ego" so to speak, but what I mean is ... the forming of a child's personality and sense of security in this world outside.
Without it, a child is anxious and scared inside and must deal with that fear either in an offensive or defensive way.

A child instinctive wants to bond with Mom for life ... but if there is any taint of coldness in her, that bond can never happen and the child is all but animated in space looking for something to bond to, but normally, it's always that floating through space feeling yet, it's always wanting desperately to complete the bond that should have been there from birth, with their mom.

When this lack in a person persists, the person begins to give up on bonding - period.

When that happens, they almost grow cold inside and some become sociopathic to differing degrees.
Some incapable of love, some incapable of seeing the worth of others because they have never had that nurturing themselves. Some to illusionary escapes that can make them lose touch with what is true or truth in the inside.

All this is not an excuse for Christians to go on this way, but to recognize what broke them inside and to cry out for healing by the Lover of our souls.

Psychiatry would have us wallow in self pity, but we have our Creator, Who knows how we were made and saw every split second of our existence since conception and on.

My heart goes out to you brother worm and if David hadn't called himself a worm and we most have also ... I wouldn't want to call you that.
I'd rather call you your God given name.

I could always make up a name for you. How about Simon ? I don't know, it's just better than calling someone other than oneself "worm".

Some of us had neither parents, but HE is the Father to the fatherless, besides able to nurture in the mother type role .... but my friend, although I don't give out psychology, I still know that it takes revelation, divinely that is, to see what happened to us and let him glue back that person HE plans to use, that will see where we are to be transformed into His Image. But parents can & our own abuse of ourselves can twart His Image in our minds eye.
That has to be our goal and ideal but we have to reckon with who's in our mirror first.
It's not self-love we're needing, it's to fully comprehend how loved we are.

Don't be afraid to cry to Him for what you lacked as a child, as if you were crying for some other little baby or child. It won't hurt forever ... but you'll be free enough after that to be made wholly whole from what was done to you.

Again, not psychiatry, but HE has shown compassion to be beyond our human slop of compassion. He is love, so how can we compare ours with His.

We're all hurting in some way and have all been broken in our pasts & present. Some intensely so, others not quite as harshly, but to be broken by 'Him' now is something thoroughly different and He uses The Body to bring this about in many ways.

We can heal here and be broken here. It's our choice for both blessed events.

I pray for continued growth for all of us and that we will not let go when it hurts us here.
Normally, that's when He's doing the Greatest work in us.

Just when we think "we're there", Pow-wham, He allows us to be socked again. Ha.

Usually when we're our "maddest", that is when God is calling us to take the next step up the ladder that He's prepared for us to get closer to Him and to die to who we are to be replaced by What He is.

I'm no one to preach here, but that is not what I feel led to do anyways, but just to grow with THE BODY because we can't grow alone.

Bless you Simon .... :-) .... Do well on your journey and know that folks here love you and are praying for you also and appreciate your prayers for the rest of us "not-complete" persons here also.
Thank you.

His Gracious Love to us who are temporary Messes if we continue in His Faith & strive for mastery of knowing His love & truth which are both HIM.

GOD Renew our minds with His Unfathomable Love.

Shalom.

annie

Worm, thank you for sharing your testimony. Very insightful.

Someone else said:

JEREMIAH 32:35 They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molech, though I never commanded, nor did it enter my mind, that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin.

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