Your comments are an encouragement to me, narrowpath. Lord bless you.

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Sandra

Michael, I want to tell you my view on OCD. Receive it or reject it. One of demons main influences upon a person can be to create compulsive behaviors in our lives. Jesus said the devil comes to kill, steal, and destroy. Demons hate us because we are Gods' creation and can influence us to make us have compulsive behavior so that we will be in torment and will not have the communion with God in the Spirit that He wants us to have. Also demons can have a legal right to be in our lives if we allow them to have one; perhaps a spirit of depression or other spirits may have had a legal right in your life because your ancestors gave grounds to them and therefore they may have been influencing your family line for a number of yrs. perhaps centuries. You may have to break specific curses that are upon you and your family line to break the legal grounds satan may have upon you. Take it to God in prayer if you want to message me personally I could be able to lead you to some stuff that might give you some better understanding concerning matters I put in this reply. What I feel is that just saying God take this from me or help me may not be enough; not that God is unable to do that but He has given you power and authority over all the enemy if you are in Him. You may have to get spiritual discernment as to what types of spirits may be causing these compulsive behaviours whether they be from fears or anxieties or other things. Anyways I hope you can hear God concerning these matters that you may be free in Jesus name.

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Jaron

Dian,

I think reading the Psalms, particularly in your prayer closet is a good place to start. I do that at times and it's in those very barren places in desert where Jesus meets us. I don't have any sermons but would recommend a book by David Wilkerson entitled "Have you felt like giving up lately?" You can find a very cheap one on Amazon.com or some other website.

I have often felt depressed and there's a whole host of reasons but since I'm walking with Jesus now it's mainly because I can no longer have my way and follow Jesus at the same time. The victim mentality is sometimes a "get out of obedience" card with the Holy Spirit. I can't get away with that anymore but it's been a very long tug of war in my own heart over this.

It seems the hidden ways of mine that the Holy Spirit continues to expose will never cease. That I believe is a lie but it is joyously painful to follow Jesus. If Jesus learned obedience through suffering, we have to learn the same way.

Remember the devil simply wants you to quit and give up. That's his modus operandi and once this is done, he's got you. Don't give up Dian, Jesus is our deliverer. Isn't it refreshing to know that we can't deliver ourselves?

One of my favorite Psalms when I'm feeling down is Psalms 84. Here's a few verses (5-7) to wet your appetite: Blessed are those whose strength is in you, who have set their hearts on pilgrimage. As they pass through the Valley of Baca, they make it a place of springs; the autumn rains also cover it with pools. They go from strength to strength, till each appears before God in Zion.

Blessings to you sis, I pray the Lord will deliver you from these attacks of the enemy.

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Ed Pugh

Hi all. I think everyone here on page 1 & 2 have posted great truths.

I gleaned from each one, and I think it should be taken as a whole as far as an answer to this goes.

I only added my post because what MoreofHim said about our "thoughts" and Danielle and others giving Sermons and narrowpath's testimony were all so Right.


When dealing with folks who are in the "grip" of this more modern Psychiatry - we need to deal with "kid gloves".

Trying to get someone away from that monster and it's lies is dangerous and if not done gentley and slowly and with the "'Science' to disprove" that dependency or system, it can cause one great anxiety that throws them even farther into running to these for help.

That is why I posted that link twice.

It is the science that disproves this "chemical" thing and proves it IS our thoughts and "choices" we make and keeps us in the 'present' and doesn't look for all these "causes" for our own thoughts and behaviors, but does it all with scientific proof that the psychiatry of today is nothing more than BIG PHARMA making a killing off of a lie that all we need are the right chemicals.

It has been [u]Proven[/u], that the "thoughts" come first and 'then' the chemistry can be affected .... NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

Not yelling here ... but just get a bit upset at what that system is doing to these poor people.
I've seen the fruits of long-term use of these newer drugs and I won't get into that right now, but the side affects are far worse than the original problem. Believe me.

"We are tempted by our own lusts" James says.

No one can say, "the devil made me do it" .......
but if we know where we stand IN Christ and take every thought captive unto the obedience of Christ, we can victory over evil and as John says, "the evil one toucheth him not."

Every "thought" we have is by "choice" and please, please don't buy into thinking anything other than that, because that is what HE has said. We are responsible for every thought that comes to our minds and will be judged for them.
No medication can change our thinking, only Christ Jesus and the renewing of our minds and the transformation that comes from The Word and The Holy Spirit combined.
Devouring His Word will heal the mind, as PaulWest has posted a great thread on memorizing Scripture.

Bless you all and with my [u]deepest empathy[/u] to anyone held in the lies and grasp of this day and age's psychiatry.

[b]HE LOVES YOU.[/b]
And we do too.

Thanks to all of you for your input here. I've many things I would like to say, but you would probably grow weary with such a long post. I [i]did[/i] go listen to the recommended sermon by Roaringlamb, The Prophet of Prayer Praying For Death. It was so powerful in reaching down to my pain that I had to stop halfway through it and let my tears subside (I was trying to work). It brought up some things in me which revealed some areas that I need to allow God to heal and deliver me in. Thanks Roaring. I needed that.

I have been someone who has taken the world's road in trying to deal with my depression at times, but, for the most part, I knew it was all just a compromise. I never took any anti-depressants for more than a few weeks and then I would cast them aside. I believe the Lord is taking me to the root of my struggle and I'm on the verge of a real breakthrough like I've never had before.

Some time ago, I posted a blog on myspace and a song which ministers to me lots. The blog is entitled "Hurricane" and that's the song title, as well. For anyone who wants to read and listen, here is the link. www.myspace.com/ancientpaths . You have to click on "view all blog entries", then you have to click on the Archives button saying "older". Scroll down and look for the one called, "Hurricane".

Basically, all of my blogs reveal my heart. I know I'm going to be free from this depression soon. I love you guys. Thanks for being here for the past 3 years. I don't know what I'd do without you. God is leading me to the truth and much of his leading has taken place through this website. I'm grateful for that. Love, Dian.

Jarona. I do reject your view, purely on the basis is, I am aware that Satan can play on your struggles and weaknesses. I have been scared to touch my bible lately in case of infecting it, but the way I have combatted that is at times listening to an audio bible in the car and praying about that. I know it isn't the same as reading it, but at least I am trying to combat it and keep the word of God active in my life.

There is no curse on my family line. There is such thing as medical conditions, which this stems off. Things go wrong sometimes genetically within people, doesn't mean they have a curse on their family. When someone has asthma, does that mean they have a demon causing a hold on your life.

Satan has no legal grounds over me, because I belong to Jesus Christ and the Lord God Almighty. God is helping me, it is just taking time.

I am aware of demonic forces existing, however, I am not worried like some Christians that they are behind every bush. There are genetic problems that can cause problems within the brain, it doesn't always mean that a demon has a hold on them. How can a demon be holding on to something when I am constantly bringing the problem before Christ.

Michael

From my own journals during a dark time:

[u]If I have nothing else, I have Jesus and what He did for me on the cross[/u]:

"From all eternity, the Father and the Son were one. He was fully divine. He was God. He and His Father were one. How is it then that He who was one with God might be forsaken by Him?

Drink deeply of this precious remedy, and let it speak honeyed volumes of assurance and confidence into your tormented soul: [b]He cried out so that you wouldn't have to! He was forsaken so that you wouldn't be![b]

For you and me, the Lord 'tasted the bitterest drop in the accursed cup.... being forsaken of God." [u]Although you may truly feel miserable and afflicted, you've never felt this. You've never been forsaken by God. You've never enjoyed the fellowship Jesus had with His Father, a fellowship so sweet that the loss of it would rend your heart.[/u]

In our trials, it's important for us to remember that everything we have was purchased for us by a merciful and loving savior. He was forsaken so that we would not be. He was punished so that we could be set free. The assurance that we have in the midst of our storm is that God's ear is always open to our cry and that He's not punishing us for our sins but rather has poured out every drop of His just wrath on His innocent Son.

Yes, we are suffering, but our suffering is not judgement for our sin; will not be eternal, and is something we don't walk through alone.

It is true that there are times when we reap the consequences of our sin, but even in this reaping, we're not being punished by God. He disciplines us, but His discipline is always redemptive and remedial, never punative. He does correct us for our own good and out of love, but if we're in His Son, we''ll never know His eternal judgement and displeasure." -A Steadfast Heart

"You need not fear or anxiously look around for help: He is your God. The one who endured the worst of it for you will strengthen, help and uphold you!" (Isa 41:10)

"Even though you feel afflicted, needy, and dry, I, the one who called out, "I thirst" for your sake will come to you myself; I will water and comfort you; you won't be forsaken! (Isa 41:17)


In His love, Chanin

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Chanin

More from my own journals:

"Talk to yourself. Tell yourself the Truth. Tell yourself what you know to be true. God is sovereign. God is wise. He doesn't make mistakes. God loves me. He's not going to bring anything into my life except that which would be for my ultimate good. Keep counseling your heart according to the Word of God. Tell your heart, “Hope in God.”

Martyn Lloyd-Jones, in commenting on this passage (a great Bible teacher of past generation) says,“We must talk to ourselves instead of allowing ‘ourselves’ to talk to us! . . . You must say to your soul, ‘Why art thou cast down’—what business have you to be disquieted? You must . . . exhort yourself, and say to yourself: ‘Hope thou in God’—instead of muttering in this depressed, unhappy way. And then you must go on to remind yourself of God, Who God is, and what God is, and what God has done, and what God has pledged Himself to do.

Then he says, “[b]Then having done that, end on this great note: defy yourself, and defy other people, and defy the devil and the whole world, and say with this man: ‘I shall yet praise Him for the help of His countenance, who is also the health of my countenance and my God[/b].’”

In Him, Chanin

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Chanin

Quote:Fred A. Baughman, Jr., Neurologist, Child Neurologist

Fellow, American Academy of Neurology

"The PI has given equal time to those who say psychiatric/mental illnesses ARE real diseases and those who say they ARE NOT. Whether disease is present or not is not a matter of vote or consensus, but whether or not, one patient at a time, a physical abnormality is demonstrable. Very simply, just as in medical school: abnormality = disease; no abnormality = normal = no disease. All physicians know this. We do not start insulin without proof of an elevated blood sugar. We do not surgically excise without proof of cancerous cells. We do treat the thyroid without proof of subnormal thyroid hormone.

What makes organized psychiatry’s (American Psychiatric Association, American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, National Alliance on Mental Illness, National Institute of Mental Health) claims of disease a total, 100% fraud is that they never–I repeat–never, demonstrate, diagnose, prove, the presence of an objective abnormality within the brain or body of a single patient. They can’t, they do no physical examinations or testing. Nonetheless, they call you and I, your relatives, neighbors, and friends, brain- "disordered"/ "diseased"/ "chemically imbalanced" and proceed to drug, shock and perform psychosurgery upon us, often by court-order, pronouncing that we are of diminished capacity, and a danger to ourselves and others. Believing them, failing to ask, for proof or an abnormality, the power we give them over us is totally arbitrary and inconsistent with the democratic ideals this country is based upon. Dr. James Scully, Medical Director of the APA recently stated that emotional problems are in fact "brain diseases" and that this fact is as "incontrovertible as the earth going round the sun." There being not a single mental/psychiatric "disorder"/ "disease"/ "chemical imbalance," verifiable in a single patient, I publicly charge that such claims are a total fraud against the American public. Further I charge that it is the responsibility of the PI (and all media) to demand of Dr. Scully and of all in organized psychiatry (APA, AACAP, NIMH, NAMI), the proof, they must have to buttress their "disease" claims. Failing to do so you become an accessory to this monstrous crime-in-progress (9 million US school children are thus labeled and drugged today, increasingly by court-order, under threat of loss of custody)."