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 Mission trip to Utah

Here's an interesting article from Brett Kunkle who is a part of the Stand To Reason ministry based out of California. It has some interesting parallels to recent discussions here on SI.

We've had an incredible trip here in Utah. Many of our discussions center on the nature of salvation. According to the LDS Standard Works (the King James Bible, the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price), the best Mormonism has to offer its adherents is exaltation with the heavenly father. But at minimum, exaltation is only available to those who have repented:
"Wherefore teach it unto your children, that all men, everywhere, must repent, or they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God, for no unclean thing can dwell there, or dwell in his presence..." (Moses 6:57)
And what is repentance according to the LDS Scriptures?

"By this ye may know if a man repenteth of his sins--behold, he will confess them and forsake them." (Doctrine & Covenants 58:43)
"...go your ways and sin no more; but unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, saith the Lord your God." (Doctrine & Covenants 82:7)

According to LDS Scripture, true repentance is confessing sin and forsaking it or never returning to it again. As former LDS prophet Spencer Kimball has said, "The forsaking of sin must be a permanent one. True repentance does not permit making the same mistake again." Indeed, if you repeat a sin all of your "former sins return." Therefore, on the LDS view it is not enough to try your best. Rather, you must stop sinning. Period.

Given the clear teaching of the LDS scriptures, it has been very interesting to encounter many Mormons appealing to God's grace in addition to their own works. And certainly we see this in their own Scriptures:

"...for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do." (2 Nephi 25:23)
But what does "after all we can do" mean?
"Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God." (Moroni 10:32)

So when does God's grace kick in? Once you "deny yourselves of all ungodliness." In other words, the LDS gospel is a gopsel of perfection. But what are to make of grace on an LDS view? Either grace is redefined and looks nothing like the biblical view of grace exemplified in Ephesians 2:8-9 or the LDS scriptures are contradictory in their view of salvation. Either way, this is a very troublesome problem for LDS and there are some who have been honest enough to admit it to us.

Thankfully, God does offer true grace:
"But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life." (Titus 3:5-7)

"What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. What does the Scripture say? 'Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.' Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: 'Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him.'" (Romans 4:1-8)

And this is the message of hope we have been offering to those we have encountered in Utah.


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Ron Halverson

 2007/6/29 14:04Profile









 Re: Mission trip to Utah

Refreshing article. Thank you. Didn't know much about the LDS doctrine of salvation. It's also quite encouraging to know that someone is actually reaching out to those people, pulling them out of the fire. I haven't been to the West myself, and haven't had almost any interaction with Mormons so this is new territory for me. I've seen their young missionaries here and there, more in Europe than in America. And I wonder if that's the way it should be: Should more "lost Mormons" try to reach out to "saved Christians" than saved Christians reach out to lost Mormons? What does this say about us?

In Christ,
Slavyan

 2007/6/29 14:40









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I'd like to ask your prayers for a couple from our Church who pioneered a Church in Salt Lake City and just this March, had a team from our Church go there to help paint the building, etc..

They are a precious couple and could use your prayers.

Thank you!

Here's their Site.
http://www.jordanpresbyterian.org/about.htm

 2007/6/29 15:12





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