Honestly dear brothers I think the way we infer natonal relationship in a disposition given more for personal relationship can be confusing. Were we Americans ever comparable to Israel in God's scheme? To add to this confusion, many sincere prophets today also compare the United States to Rome, and others say we are Babylon.

And if we are comparable to Israel, why must we be at the fall of Jersualem at the hands of Romans? Why can't we be near the deliverance of Israel from the hands of the Assyrians? Hezekiah had more reason to expect annialation then we do today...and yet God heard his prayers.

Are we so sure God won't hear our prayers? Is there any prophet here today bold enough to assure us that all our prayers for revival are useless? If so then why meet in October?

With all repect for Dobson and Macarthur, who I greatly respect, let's be careful to not allow our own exasperation to eclipse God's unfailing love and wonderful deeds. It is not for us to declare the 'gentiles are cut off.'

It is for us to pray brethren. Repentence among the gentiles, and even among the Jews, is possible with God.

Blessings,

MC

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Mike Compton

Concerning this subject I have not ever felt that we are too late to avoid judgement but the time is extremely short. A mass sence of urgency he has given me! Yet I am just a man and this is just the interpitation of what he has said!

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Mike Balog

I feel Mike has summed up for many of us, the current state of affairs both in our nation and in our own lives. Namely, there are days when we feel there is no hope at all, indeed days of such frustration that we would bring down the economy or nuclear holocaust ourselves if we had the power...and then there are days when we see causes for great hope that the light has not been fully extinguished here in America.

It might be healthy to be mindful that God still sends help, from small [url=http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070528/NEWS/705280338/1001/LIFE]individual[/url] examples to possibly historical examples.

For instance, in the past few years I have been impressed that the brief 150 year unquestioned metaphysical autocracy of Darwinism is coming under increasingly forceful criticism in what could emerge as a 21st century 'protestant' reformation among enlightened people. Imagine a civilization in 50 years free from the state-supported materialistic philosophy of natural selection that corrodes even many Christian's faith in God...20 years ago it was too much to hope for, but it is happening right now and I believe it is a sign that the land is not completely deserted by God. The endarkenment of Darwinism was a judgement of God on western civilization, a snuffing of His light, as I understand Romans 1. That this willful ignorance is under siege today from many quarters is perhaps a small sign that God has not completely forgotten us in His anger.

There are others examples of God's help in our lives. I'm sure we could fill this forum's bandwithd just on the topic of God's help alone! Spiritual, and physical testimonies would abound if we would simply frame the question properly.

It is why we still hope for revival. Even if and when a measure of God's judgement is given to us, we have seen his mercy also. Like many here, I could detail mournfully how the Lord has disciplined me for my rebellion, and for my lukewarm inattentiveness to Himself. Even now, my friends who knew me still try to coax out of me some sign of self pity to accompany what they saw in my life. I defy them with a smile, because the theme of my life is not abandonment as I so deserved, but of redemption, which was given not solely according to any great repentence on my part, but according to God's great love. Knowing this, and humbly remembering my former prideful sensual state, how can I pronounce, or even consent to a declaration of abandonment upon others?

Still, the spirit of my post below was not without empathy for the feelings expressed, but I want to encourage! (And to be encouraged!) We must be made of sterner stuff then to throw in the towel. Our eschatology should not become a prison of fatalism that restricts faith and love. It is appointed once for each of us to die...untill that appointment there is always prayer.

As encouragement I would like to share some words from Isaiah 43, not as a timely or specific 'prophetic word', but simply as a reminder of one aspect of our Savior's character.

Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.The beast of the field shall honor me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen. This people have I formed for myself; they shall show forth my praise.

...and as a reminder or our own character at times...

But thou hast not called upon me, O Jacob; but thou hast been weary of me, O Israel.

Blessings dear brethren,

MC

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Jeff Mollman

Good messages. Thanks for pointing them out, Jeremy.