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IANSMITH, I AM GOING TO WRITE THIS IN BOLD TO GET EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION. there is a man's preaching here that i hold onto dear to my life- to the point that i long to meet him in person before he dies, for he has gotten too frail i am afraid in the past few months. as a matter of fact, Ian, this man, i for sure know, travels quite extensively to Washington state, Seattle, every year for a confrence in one church. A lot even here on SI don't really like him for the severity of his doctrine. LISTEN NOW, more than any preaching by anybody here, be it Ravenhill, Reidhead, Poonen, you mention it, i have sampled them- oh this man brings too many tears to my eyes. yea, some would think to be human worship. but, i say to you, he confirmed everything that the Spirit of God had taught me in my weakling life by his preaching. not much on him here- about only 20 or so messages. yea i think i begged Greg to invite him to the confrence in October and he did, but i don't think he responded or is willing to come(yet). if you've read my comments, you know who i am talking about but for IANSMITH, sorry this to be dragged, the wait is over- his name is Richard Owen Roberts.
if you want to seriously debunkt that idea, ask them as he states [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=13562]in this sermon[/url], who is condemned to Hell, the person who is the sinner, or the sin of the sinner? oh it might seem faceious now to ask that, but after listening to the message, you will understand. a warning :-P - afer you hear the message, you will for sure be amused by questions like- once saved always saved, once justified always justified.

 2007/5/31 14:55
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Thank you HmmHmm. I should have done that myself but was somewhat in a huff and didn't take the time to look the the verses up.


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What covenant are you in ? Jesus mentioned in the upper room "this is the Blood of a new covenant" right.The only thing Abraham had to do with the Ministers of this new covenant was that he was in the Faith 430 years B4 the Law.
Jesus told his disciples unless your righteosness surpases that of the Scribes and Pharisees you will by no means enter into the kingdom,Right .Now answer this Can you earn your way to heaven?
Ok I will answer this, JESUS was telling them they needed His imputed perfection,thats it.
The whole book of Hebrews was written for those that did not believe that JESUS was enough so they were going back to Temple Sacrifice.
Pretty simple.
Sure I could go back into the OT and find verses that I can pull out of context and try to beat others with Perfection.
OK.. OK.. ill stop, BUT i will stop at this. What has changed in your walk with Jesus?
Is the Love of Christ constrianing you from SIN ?
well then.You need to sit and focus on how much God had to Pay for you.HIS LIFE... anything else is rifraf. Just explain to us how your Perfectionism has made you more Loving,Compassionate,Mercifull,forgiving,and all of the other things that show you are walking in the SPIRIT.The real fruit of a believer.

 2007/5/31 15:27Profile









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Repentance and faith must be followed by baptism by immersion in water, whereby we publicly testify to God, to men and to demons that our old man is indeed buried (Rom. 6:4,6). We can then receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit, whereby we are endued with power to be witnesses for Christ by our life and our lips (Acts 1:8).



Running2win caught this too... this is false.

You need to get away from curriculum.

Krispy

 2007/5/31 16:26
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Running2win quoted Poonen :

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Repentance and faith must be followed by baptism by immersion in water, whereby we publicly testify to God, to men and to demons that our old man is indeed buried (Rom. 6:4,6). We can then receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit, whereby we are endued with power to be witnesses for Christ by our life and our lips (Acts 1:8).



Brother what bro Zac poonen mean here is that Holy Ghost baptisme is a post conversion experience. Welsey,Whitfield, Finney, Moody and manny other godly men testify of there personal pentecost after their conversion.Brother Zac Poonen is telling a FACT but i personally believe that baptisme of the Holy Spirit can hapend at conversion as it can hapend at post conversion.


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[color=0066FF]Although you may need to experience growth and change in your life, you do not have to do so to earn God's love and acceptance. God loves you just the way you are. [/color]

Bother we dont earn God's love because of our spiritual growth and the Holy Spirit transformation in us to the likeness of Christ because God loved us when we were still sinners but whoever is truly born of God should hate sin and disire to live a holy life by the grace of God.

Whoever has the Spirit of God should desire to grow more and more like Christ and bear fruits not to be accepted of God because a child of God has been accepted by Him the moment we believed his Son. The sacrifice of the Son of God was the only accepted offering for our acceptance to God.

Brother if you want my advice look to the contex what these guys are saying, are they saying it to justify their sins or are they saying it out of ignorance. If they are trying to justify their sins and if they are christians they are for sure backsliding.

God loves you just the way you are what do they mean by that? if they are truly christians and they are lukewarm in spirit God hates it (being lukewarm).

Again what they said it should be interpreted in the context of their lives. I cant judge the intentions of their hearts but if i knew them with God's help i could have discened spiritually.


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Bother we dont earn God's love because of our spiritual growth and the Holy Spirit transformation in us to the likeness of Christ because God loved us when we were still sinners but whoever is truly born of God should hate sin and disire to live a holy life by the grace of God.



Amen. This is exactly what I've been trying to say. I'm saying that we can come to a place where it's possible not to sin. We can't just keep falling day after day after day and say "oh well, I know I'm imperfect, but God accepts me as I am." In my book that's making a mock of sin and God doesn't accept [i]that[/i].

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"My little children, these things I write unto you that ye sin not..."
1 John 2:1



God doesn't just say "oh well" when we blow it. This is what I'm saying. But the glorious thing is in the second half of the verse.

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"...and if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous,"
1 John 2:1


God says we are to live our lives as if we were in a race. We're to give it all we have. We need to say to ourselves "I haven't even scratched the surface of what God can make me." That's the christian life. Not that we're earning our way to heaven. Oh, dear christians God shows me more and more all the time how utterly unworthy I am. How incapable of meeting His standard. Imperfect? Oh I see it more clearly every day. I see more clearly how great was the price that Jesus had to pay for me and that's why I want to give Him all that I have and more. Oh, dear people, run to win in the christian life. I think God groans when He sees His children taking an oh well attitude about their struggles. God desires a church that is holy.
Do we desire what God desires? Oh, I do. I do.

God work in my life and make me more like Jesus every day. Take away more and more of that imperfection that I'm so full of Lord.

"I wanna get so close to Him there's no big change on the day that Jesus calls my name."
-anonamous


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 2007/5/31 17:21Profile
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 Re: God loves me as I am


If God does not love me as I am, he may never love me then. I am always as I am, I just don't want to remain as I am now but be transformed into His image until no more I live but Christ in me.

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running2win wrote:
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Repentance and faith must be followed by baptism by immersion in water, whereby we publicly testify to God, to men and to demons that our old man is indeed buried (Rom. 6:4,6). We can then receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit, whereby we are endued with power to be witnesses for Christ by our life and our lips (Acts 1:8).



[b]WHOAH! STOP![/b] this is false, erroneous teaching here. While God does command us to be baptized He never said that we have to be before we can be baptized with the Holy Ghost! Dear people that's a HUGE lie! John Wesley (out of ignorance) was never baptized ofter his conversion and there's no way you will ever convince me that he wasn't full of the Holy Ghost. I don't know who said or teaches this 'cause I didn't read the whole article, but whether it's Zac or anyone else I can't let it go by unnoticed.



I strongly believe this is a case of misinterpretation. In the original context, the sentence, "We can then receive..." starts a new paragraph. I do not believe it is closely linked to the previous statement as it appears here, but rather that it is referring to repentance as a whole (which all will agree should be followed by baptism).

I have listened to hours of teaching of Zac Poonen and I haven't heard him talk about water baptism. I listened to his basic teachings and he doesn't talk about water baptism. I have read his life story book (kind of an auto-biography) and other articles by him on the baptism of the Holy Spirit and do not recall anything about water baptism. If I had read or heard anything about water baptism being necessary for anything, red flags would have gone off for sure.

Again, in defense of Zac Poonen, I strongly believe this is a case of misinterpretation.

btw, I will email the ministry to confirm this.


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Bro Jeff (running2win) please correct my quote in your thread because i misstyped it, it should be 'in the likeness of Christ' and not 'us'

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...the Holy Spirit transformation in us to the likeness of Christ(and not us)



running2win :
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God work in my life and make me more like Jesus every day.


This should be the deepest desire of each of us who are truly born from above because our new nature needs to grow in the knowledge and grace of our Lord.
As for sin Jesus came to save us not only from the guilt and power of sin but from the indwelling 'little sins'. The blood of the LAMB of GOD is POWERFUL to clease us from ALL sins, when i say all sins i mean all sins because the bible mean it. Living a pure life to the point where your conscience doesnt condemn you is possible and being consciencly sinless that is possible too and it doesnt mean perfection ( we aim perfection). It means (according to my understanding) that we live such a holy life and we are so full with the divine that we better die then sin ( consciencly). I want to be like that God help me and enable me.




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God IS Love. That's one of His divine attributes. He can be nothing else but love. In time and eternity it will be seen that God has expressed His attribute of Love just as much in the judging of a soul to hell as He did in His saving of a soul to sonship and heaven. As to acceptance once we are in Christ He ever deals with us as with sons/daughters. Sometimes like Peter though we all have to confess that from time to time we fell if we barely make it what will the outcome of the unbeliever be? Sure am glad Peter penned those words under the direction of the Holy Spirit. That gives me comfort. One thing that must be noted also is that God deals presently with All reguardless of the outcome of thier eternal destiny, even though He knows the eternal decission of all His creation individually from the foundations of the earth. For Him to do other wise would make Him unjust, but in that context He rains on the just and the unjust alike.


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