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While personally holding fast to the knowledge that Jesus was and is God, I love the touches of humanity we see in the Gospels.

One nice one is the incident in the Temple when He was 12. To me that's just how a typical 12 year old might act when engrossed in whatever he was doing. He didn't mean to cause Mary and Joseph any worry, but it just didn't [i]occur[/i] to Him that they might not know where He was. He was plainly astonished that they should have been worried at all...

I'm also amused at the very understated way the Bible describes Mary's words when they find Jesus. The reality would surely be that she restrained herself in the presence of the priests, but when she got Him outside... Just like any other mother worried sick about her child. She would have been furious with him for turning up safe and sound, when they were imagining all sorts of terrible things might have happened!

Or was she too much in awe of His answer? Mmm

 2007/2/23 20:05
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I completely understood your question from the begining and I like it. The first thing that popped into my mind was John 4:6 when it said he was tired and sat next to Jacob's well.

This says a lot. Jesus walked a lot therefore he got tired. Jesus fasted so he got hungry. He was a human being so he must of done what kids do and stub his toe. I'm just assuming now :-( ya'know. He was sinless but I agree with Krispy the Kritter. He probably learned how to cut wood to perfection after so many attempts. He was determined to get it right and never give up because he worked unto his Father and not an earthly boss.


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Leonardo Santana

 2007/2/23 20:11Profile
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Since were on this topic, I really want to know what you think of his sense of humour?? Do you think he cracked jokes with the disciples and made them laugh??


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Leonardo Santana

 2007/2/23 20:14Profile









 Jesus could have sinned!

Jesus was really tempted

1. Christ could have sinned.

For a temptation to be real, the possibly to sin must exist. When Christ was tempted, He could Have sinned. If it was impossible for Christ to sin, the temptation would have been meaningless.

How could Christ be really tempted if it was impossible for Him to choose?



Mark 1:13; "And He was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him."

2. Christ's "flesh" was the same as ours.

If Christ's "flesh" was different from ours He could not be our high priest.

Heb 2:14-18; "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily He took not on him the nature of angels; but He took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved Him to be made like unto His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself hath suffered being tempted, He is able to succour them that are tempted."

Heb 4:14-16; "Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."

Romans 8:3; "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:."

3. When we are tempted we do NOT have to sin.

1 Cor 10:13; "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

2 Peter 2:9; "The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:"

4. It is not sin to be tempted.

Christ was tempted on every point, yet He did not sin

5. You do not need "a sin nature" to be tempted.

When Eve was tempted in the garden she did not have "a sin nature"

We are tempted through our natural appetites, not through a sinful nature. Our appetites are not sinful in themselves, for they have been given to us by God; but unless they are controlled by the Holy Spirit, they will become sinful. Just as a branch, even while grafted into a true vine needs the constant care of a gardener, so must we be cared for, guarded, guided by the Holy Spirit. We must deny any desire or craving for something not consistent with the Vine in which we abide.

To be tempted, man does not need to have a sinful nature; in fact, he is not tempted through a sinful nature, for that is not the object of the devil's attack. Man is tempted through his natural desires. These are not wrong in themselves, for they are God-given, and so are for man's good. But through wrong use, man's desires may become defiled, especially if the wrong use is habitual. Yet if properly controlled, these desires may remain pure and good.

The devil therefore seeks entrance through one or all of these three natural, fundamental desires -- to enjoy things, to get things, and to do things. Dr. Kyle's definition of temptation is rather difficult to improve upon: "Temptation is the incitement of our natural desires to go beyond the bounds set by God." We are tempted by Satan along the lines of our human desires. The devil does not tempt a sinful nature; there is no point in tempting evil with evil. In our case, human nature is a fallen nature, but not in the experience of Adam and Eve, nor of Christ (for they had no fallen nature). They did have a human nature which was temptable, for it had these three fundamental, natural desires which could respond to temptation. While man is temptable through these desires and can respond to the enticements or the allurements of the devil or the world, yet by the promise of Hebrews 2:18, "He is able to succor them that are tempted." Praise God for this truth!

Man is tempted "when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed." Usually we attach a bad meaning to the word lust, though strictly speaking, it means nothing more than a strong desire. The meaning of the Greek word lust is to "set the heart upon, to long for" (rightfully or otherwise). This is where the battle is joined. It is through his desires that man is enticed. Only when lust has conceived does it bring forth. Until the will marries the wrong desire, there is no conception. Unless the will yields to the enticement, there is no sin. Only when the will yields to the desire is there a conception and sin; the child of lust is born.

James 1:12; "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."

 2007/2/23 20:51









 Re: Jesus' humour

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Santana wrote:
Since were on this topic, I really want to know what you think of his sense of humour?? Do you think he cracked jokes with the disciples and made them laugh??


Of course He cracked jokes! I suspect that many of the parables were very funny indeed, and used humour to drive home the real spiritual point of the message. Imagine a man walking around with a great big log of wood sticking out of his eye thinking he could help a chap who just had a splinter! Or a camel trying to get through the eye of a needle.

Dorothy L Sayers (better known for her crime writing) also wrote a series of plays for radio on the life of Christ (Man Born to be King). She imagined Jesus telling the story of the dishonest steward fiddling the books, much to Matthew's amusement, (he probably had done plenty of the same during his time as a tax collector). In the parable the master "commended" the dishonest man: Miss Sayers has him saying "Fellow, you're a thorough scoundrel! [b]...But I do admire your thoroughness!"[/b]

What a punchline!

Jeannette

 2007/2/23 21:09
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 Did He crack jokes?

Did Christ crack jokes? He was probablt tempted to! I don't know. Many people seem to think that humor is part and parcel of humanity. Yet Paul admonishes Timothy to have no part in vain babblings which lead to further ungodlines. I am certain Jesus said nothing unnecessary, so if He did tell a joke it was because the Father willed it for a purpose... let that rule guide our joking and we'll see how much we joke around!

Love:.

 2007/2/24 0:43Profile
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Linn- "Jordan, bro, this is not a verse from the Bible.... sorry"-- You mistook me-- Jason said that, not me.

Jordan

 2007/2/24 2:31Profile









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jordanamo wrote:
Linn- "Jordan, bro, this is not a verse from the Bible.... sorry"-- You mistook me-- Jason said that, not me.

Jordan


OOPS!! :-? So sory about that guys. My spidy sences were going crazy when I posted that. I don't know where that came from. I looked everywhere to see if I could find it. Was there one close to it? :-( I usually don't quote scripture unless I can quoute it word for word and I was sure this was at least part of a verse.

This really was bad form. It's just not like me to quote scriptures that are not found in the bible. It must of been some kind of childhood way of remebering his humanity and deity. I don't know. CRAZY!!! :-? I found out, though, that some verses we learn as a child have to be relearned because after years it seems like words get forgotten.

 2007/2/24 21:51









 Re: Jeannette

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Are these notes copyright? I don't want to publish them or anything, but maybe to share with a few friends.


No, they're not copyrighted. Just the notes of someone trying to grasp the greatness of our Lord. Feel free to use them. Do you want the rest? This wasn't my whole lesson...Send me a pm if you do and I can email the document to you.
:-)

 2007/2/25 18:55





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