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 HEALING TODAY?

HEALING TODAY?

I’ll focus more on healing for the sake of time.

Matthew 10:8 8 "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons; freely you received, freely give.

How do we handle these Scriptures? God gives a direct command, you heal the sick, you raise the dead, you cast out demons, you go into all the world and preach the gospel YOU DO IT. In Scripture you see direct commands. You see they were given the authority and went out exercising it by giving commands;
Acts 3:6 6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but SUCH AS I HAVE I GIVE THEE: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth RISE AND WALK.
Acts 16:18 18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to COME OUT of her. And he came out the same hour.

Be healed in Jesus name, Rise and walk, Come out in Jesus name, today you mainly see people throw all the responsibility back to God. You here a lot of, If it be thy will you can do it. Mark 1:40-41 40 And there came a leper to him, beseeching him, and kneeling down to him, and saying unto him, IF THOU WILT, thou canst make me clean. 41 And Jesus, moved with compassion, put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I WILL; be thou clean. I hope someone will read this and realize this I WILL echoes through the chambers of time. You may be an outcast like this leper (rejected by everyone) yet; the first person who wants to lay his hand upon you is the healing hand of Jesus. He stretches forth his nailed scared hands to heal today. God is Jehovah Rapha Exodus 15:26b I am the LORD that healeth thee. God does not change, he healed in the Old Testament, through out the New Testament and he heals today. Isaiah 53:5 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. We are healed looks to the future event of the cross. 1 Peter 2:24b by whose stripes ye were healed. Ye were healed looks to a past, the cross of Calvary. What does it look like when someone is healed by his stripes? Matthew 8:16-17 16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: 17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

The Church needs God’s glory. The glory of God is when he manifests his essence. When God’s glory falls it causes people to glorify God.

Matthew 9:8 8 But when the multitudes saw it, they marveled, and GLORIFIED GOD, which had given such power unto men.

Matthew 15:31 31 Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they GLORIFIED GOD of Israel.

Luke 13:12-13 12 And when Jesus saw her, he called her to him, and said unto her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity. 13 And he laid his hands on her: and immediately she was made straight, and GLORIFIED GOD.

Luke 23:47 47 Now when the centurion saw what was done, he GLOIFIED GOD, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man.

Luke 17:15 15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice GLORIFIED GOD.
Luke 7:14-16 14 and he came and touched the bier: and they that bare him stood still. And he said, Young man, I say unto thee, Arise. 15 And he that was dead sat up, and began to speak. And he delivered him to his mother. 16 And there came a fear on all: and they GLORIFIED GOD, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.

I want to see people GLORIFY GOD. We are in a day and age that evil is rapidly escalating to a peak. It is hard for the world to tell what the difference is in the Church. We need the power of God. WE NEED A VISITATION. Look in how in verse 16 “THAT GOD VISITED HIS PEOPLE” Many times when God visits; you see the miraculous power of God. Yet I wonder people of God will we know the time of our visitation? KJV Luke 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because THOU KNEWEST NOT THE TIME OF THY VISITATION. Will we recognize Jesus if he comes to us in a new way. Matthew 14:26-27 26 And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, IT IS A SPIRIT; and they cried out for fear. 27 But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; IT IS I; be not afraid. I wonder if we have been guilty of this. Jesus approaching us in a different way and we call it a ghost, because it doesn’t fit our traditions or the way God moved in the previous revival. We need new wine if we want to see a genuine move of God.

Mark 2:22 2 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles. Notice the two different Greek words for new: NAU but one puts new wine into fresh wineskins."
If you knew the custom, they would have to soak the old wineskin in water, stretch it some, and them it would be able to be filled. Oh, that we would be soaked in God’ presence, our flesh stretched that we can be filled with new wine. Oh, God is not looking for golden vessels or silver vessels, but he is looking for yielded vessels. It is true we have Christ in us; but when the pressures of life, trials, testings, and persecutions come and we find ourselves broken before an Almighty God, that is when what is inside comes out. It reminds me of when the woman had the box of spikenard, the precious oil only came out when the box was broken. THAT GOD WOULD BREAK US IN THIS HOUR

Oh, I know many who will say there is no Apostle = no miracles, forget the Apostles is their any other ones? Luke 9:49-50 49 And John answered and said, Master, WE SAW ONE casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

Mark 16:17-18 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. σημεια δε τοις πιστευσασιν ταυτα παρακολουθησει notice the Greek word πιστευσασιν
(Verb participle aorist active dative masculine plural from) This doesn’t mean everyone who is a Christian; this refers to the one who exercises faith. These signs shall follow them who exercises faith. They shall……….

Matthew 17:14-21 14 And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying, 15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water. 16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him. 17 Then Jesus answered and said, O FAITHLESS AND PERVERSE GENERATION, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me. 18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. 19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? 20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of YOUR UNBELIEF: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence over yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. 21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

God gave them the ability to cast out demons yet their unbelief hindered them. You can be a police officer who has the ability and authority to stop a crime, yet that means nothing if you turn your head and allow the crime. I wonder how many of us are not exercising our authority. How many of us are exercising our faith? KJV Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, SHALL HE FIND FAITH ON THE EARTH?

I know in today’s world when we think of miracles we think of: Matthew 7:22-23 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. This is so powerful because it exposes the false. He goes straight to the knowing. This knowing carries the thought of intimacy, for example,
KJV Genesis 4:1a And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, So, he is saying what ever you have done is no good because it did not come from being intimate with me. Yet, the reality of it is this; those who are intimate with God with get impregnated with something from God. A move of God, a work for God, something will definitely be birthed many times the miracles.

Daniel 11:32b but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

James 5:14-15 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. SHALL SAVE THE SICK I guess my point is, look at the prayer of faith; who’s responsibility is it to pray the prayer of faith? Are we ready at any given moment to pray the prayer of faith?

Just a thought,
Josh



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 2006/12/30 4:42Profile









 Re: HEALING TODAY?


Of course there is healing today!

But, I put it to you that there is a [i]timing[/i] in God's great plan for each person, which the pray-er must be open to hear.

For instance, had not Jesus Himself seen the man at the Gate Beautiful?

And the blind man in John 9 - wasn't he forty - older than Jesus?

And the man at the pool of Bethesda had been [i]lying there[/i] for thirty eight years.


The woman who was healed of the spirit of infirmity had been going to the temple regularly..... but on one particular day, Jesus called to her, and made her back straight again.


Just as Jesus listened to what His Father was saying to Him and did what His Father showed Him, we also must walk in step with His leading.

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 Re: HEALING TODAY?

Josh wrote:

"Will we recognize Jesus if he comes to us in a new way."


Why do you use the term "new way" when it is not new? While it is certainly not the way things are it certainly is not new either. So wherein lay the difficulty of our understanding/experience?

Orm

 2006/12/30 5:39
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Amen brother Josh, I have the desire to step out but there is feirce battle encountered on those front lines I have only seem a glimps of them, and could not handle it. I mean my fear overtook my faith against my will.
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>comment But, I put it to you that there is a timing in God's great plan for each person, which the pray-er must be open to hear.
The woman who was healed of the spirit of infirmity had been going to the temple regularly..... but on one particular day, Jesus called to her, and made her back straight again.

Yes, the timing is when Jesus comes to the scene. I do not know long you have been going to a temple or a Church, the answer comes when Jesus shows up on the scene. Where Jesus is, the very present power to heal is there. Luke 5:17b and the power of the Lord was present to heal them. Oh, that he would speak through our mouths, touch through our hands and flow through our heart. We pray thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. One element of this prayer is healing, for we are praying for as it is in heaven (no sickness) to be on earth. We need some carriers of the kingdom.

>comment Why do you use the term "new way" when it is not new? While it is certainly not the way things are it certainly is not new either. So wherein lay the difficulty of our understanding/experience?

New way, in other words I do not put God in a box. Yes, he heals today, maybe not by your shadow or your spit in mud, but he still heals. Sometimes we have operated 100 years a certain way in our Church and God wants something to change, something new.
Jesus saves the best for last, but who are these that will sound the alarm in these last days?
About understanding, I believe the Word of God. Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. I believed God’s Word and then I personally experienced it for myself. I remember when they sent a counselor to tell me I was going to die. They had all the statistics out and basically said my life was over. I remember sitting in the chair, with the peace that passes all understanding saying, I WILL LIVE AND NOT DIE. They thought I was crazy but sometimes we need radical faith. I walk by faith and not by sight, I don’t care what their books said, I don’t walk by statistics I walk by faith. If Moses went by a statistic he would have never split the red sea, Joshua would have never told the sun to be still and Elijah would have never seen the rain stop. Sink or swim live or die I will serve the Lord.


>comment and could not handle it. I mean my fear overtook my faith against my will

I remember I heard a story of a long distance runner, who while running the race fell and was seriously injured. He decided to get up and keep running. The reporters were still there and everyone already crossed the finish line. The reporters asked the runner why did you keep running? Everyone else crossed the line hours and hours ago? He said, “I did not come to this country to start a race but to finish a race." Oh, that we would run this race on the front lines even if we face an attack.


Josh


Healing is in a person not a thing……. John G. Lake


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 Re: HEALING TODAY?

Healing is definitly for today. It is happening in many parts of the world. It is more prevelent in places where it is a matter of life or death for the church. In Pemba Mozambique under Iris Minstries www.irismin.org blind eyes are opening, deaf hears are unstopped and the dead are raised. We just don't need it so much here because we can run to the doctor. If we were going through a crisis where we had no other option we would also get hold of divine healing in the good old USA.


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under Iris Minstries www.irismin.org



Thanks checked out the web-site. I know the power of God flows through their ministry in fact; Hedi Baker dedicated one of my sons.


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We just don't need it so much here because we can run to the doctor. If we were going through a crisis where we had no other option we would also get hold of divine healing in the good old USA.



I think we in the USA have things backwards. I think we need to turn back to seeking God first.
I think the problem is that we get so accustom to turning to people for help that when the crisis comes we have not built up our faith to turn to God.

For example, I remember at a Church I was asked by the Pastor to pray for some woman who was sick (she had a lot of pain) I laid hands on her, began to pray and the Spirit of God began to reveal the sickness that she had to me. I hesitated to say anything, and then the Spirit began to show me more things. So, I started to share how I believed her pain was just a symptom of the real problem. As I began to deal with the root of the problem (sharing what I knew by the Spirit) she started crying and began to wonder how I knew all that about her. I asked her, “Do you believe God will heal you right now” She said yes I believe God will heal me right now, I thought to myself be it unto thee according to thy faith, so I prayed and God healed her. It was spontaneous healing and all the pain that she had for years was gone in an instance.

The interesting thing that I found out about this woman is that she came to Church, homeless, in pain suffering, with her mind set of trying to figure out where she was going to find her next meal. I do not believe she read the bible all day or anything like that, but she shared how she would pray and God would provide her needs day by day “one piece of bread at a time”. Her faith was built in these conditions so when she was questioned about God, she said I BELIEVE GOD WILL HEAL ME RIGHT NOW. It made me think about this: KJV James 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

Yet, most in the good old USA, it seems that we don’t want one slice of bread at a time, not even one loaf at a time, we want the whole bread factory, we try to bypass everything and we lose the “Daily bread concept” I could ask a lot of others do you believe God will heal you right now they say this, “Well I am going to the Doctors or he will heal me in his time”

I think what I am trying to say is this, People are always saying I am waiting for God, yet I think sometimes God is saying I am waiting FOR YOU.

Josh






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 Re: HEALING TODAY?

You are exactly right Josh. In a wonderful book by Charles Price called The Real Faith for Healing, he shares that same message. I have had people tell me that it messed up their understanding of the way they pursued healing, which is the point. Charles Price says we seek the Healer and healing is the by-product of an encounter with Life.

A number of years ago I heard a word that said Love is a person, joy is a person, peace is a person. He doesn't give us these things separate from Himself, but as we abide in Him love, life, peace, etc. are manifest through that abiding. I submit that healing is a person. When we are abiding in the Healer and the Healer abides in us our healing will be manifest. Light dispels darkness and all the power of the enemy.

PS. It's really cool about your son and Heidi


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