Rick Warren invited pro-abortion, pro-homosexual politician Barack Obama to speak in his church on December 1. The occasion was the second annual Global Summit on AIDS conference at Warren's Saddleback Church in southern California.

Obama, a senator from Illinois, not only supports abortion, he supports [b]"partial birth abortion,"[/b] a procedure whereby a living baby's head is pulled out of the womb and its brain suctioned out before the dead body is birthed. He also supports the homosexual agenda ("Why Is Obama's Evil in Rick Warren's Pulpit?" WorldNetDaily, Nov. 17, 2006).

Jim Brown, a reporter with the American Family Radio who attended the summit, said Obama was given a standing ovation when introduced, and when Obama stated that just promoting abstinence was not enough, that condoms needed to be handed out, Rick and Kay Warren nodded and joined in the applause.

Bill Gates and U2 frontman Bono also sent messages to the conference by video. In an interview with David Frost on the Public Broadcasting Network, November 1995, Gates said he does not believe in "the specific elements of Christianity" and does not know "if there's a god or not."

Foul-mouthed Bono was named "premier male sexpot" in 1992. I have read dozens of U2 interviews, but I have never heard any of them give a clear testimony of the new birth or warn that those who are without Christ are on their way to eternal Hell.

Rick Warren replied to his critics by saying, [i]"Jesus loved and accepted others without approving of everything they did. That's our position too, but it upsets a lot of people, so we get attacked from both sides."[/i] Thus he [b]misinterprets reproof as persecution[/b], and he grossly misrepresents Jesus Christ.

Though Christ loved all men, He did [b]not[/b] yoke together with wicked men and false prophets to accomplish supposed good deeds. The Lord solemnly warned His people to beware of false prophets and warned about those who make false professions of faith (Matthew 7:15-23), and Obama and Bono, who claim to be Christians, are indeed false prophets. Christ further instructs His people to mark and avoid those who teach contrary to the apostolic faith (Romans 16:17) and not to be unequally yoked together with unbelievers (2 Corinthians 6:14). In his zeal to fulfill a man-made agenda, Rick Warren disobeys the plain teaching of the Holy Scripture.

Krispy

ooops! I meant this to go in the lounge!

Oh well...

Krispy

There is evil in Rick Warren's pulpit even if Obama isn't there.

Any real Christian can see through the facade of what is taking place here, or in 'Christendom' at this very moment.

Basically, with Warren, Osteen and all the other 'crew', for want of a better word, it just looks like Christianity is a lost cause.

I said 'looks', not 'is', because, God cannot lose.

One scripture that I often reflect on, especially when things seem as they do, is Psalm 27v13, 'I would have lost heart, unless I had believed that I would see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living.

We will see the goodness of the Lord. We do see it. Maybe not as we want to, in awesome power, with people crying out to God in repentance and seeing satan as lightning fall.

Sounds good, and it can happen.

But, let's listen for the still, small voice, be faithful to God, be in prayer and in the word of God.

God bless.

This will surely prove to be difficult...

Krispy, will san the complimentary mutual understanding as brothers and cut to the quick.

Having just read an honest accounting of our tendencies [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5529&forum=35]here[/url] from a new member, Northeast, it seems quite applicable to both this thread and the other on Joel Osteen.

The questions raised is coupled. For one thing, this tendency or bent towards controversy, am prying deeper than the subject matter if you can bare it (not an accusation, just a consideration).

Like the linked post mentions and draws attention to, this matter of exaggeration and\or "coloring" things. It strikes me as a bit mischievous to bring in 10 to 15 year old quotes as a buttress to your argument, it has the air of a witch hunt when it is not even necessary, but again am prying deeper still.

Another question raised is on the level of "So what?" in the elementary meaning of the definition as I am chewing on it... That is to say, of what substance will any of this be other than another round of circular "Amens" and "You tell 'em", a sort of Brethren bandwagon for everyone to jump on.

It has been a couple of years now but one of our elders in the faith, our own Philologos stated something to me that stuck but did not truly strike until recent times; The gist of it was derived after much of the same sort of commentary on our other favorite and common nemesis, Mr. Benny Hinn. At the time he had stated something about the whole of it that hit me sideways and had me inquiring privately how he could not be as alarmed as I over the whole of his (Benny's)ministry. While agreeing that it was indeed problematic and grievous, that even my own proscriptions were full of merit, he no longer let these things bother him in that fashion. It was a simple wisdom;

"Let them alone"

Just seems to me we have bigger fish to fry, our own true shortcomings to overcome. It is our motivating factors that we are too quick to misdiagnose if to peer in on them at all. Am assured the Lord has a controversy with us that may even exceed the shenanigans of those that frankly have no weight or bearing upon that which is being drawn from in these parts.

Perhaps I am becoming more and more fearful of the things good Brethren are becoming entangled with. Politics, a constant stream of denouncing and complaint in so many forms and factions.

These things draw a great many replies while spiritual depths are cast aside. Spiritual beings, with spiritual understanding and spiritual learning, to say as much seems to draw a sort of casting to the abstract which is very peculiar, it is rarely stated just implied, unspoken.

I am afraid that we can be deceived, dwelling out on the peripheral of emotional, current event styled attributes, running the way the world runs, not as counter, not as [i]The[/i] alternative to it all. Maybe I could just plainly state it as ...

What are we producing?

Just prying ...

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 2Pe 2:20

No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of [i]this[/i] life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. 2Ti 2:4

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Mike Balog

Jesus did say to the adultress woman, "Go and sin no more" did He not? The world continues to "cheapen" the grace of God more and more...like we have some special license to sin because we prayed some special prayer to welcome jesus into our hearts at one time to be our savior(Romans 6). How can He save us from our sins later if we don't have faith that he has already saved us from our sins? It is God's heaven and God's new Earth and we enter in as He alone says... whether we like it or not.
God help us to be strong in Him,
richie

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Richie

Mike, you know I have incredible respect for you, and so I must respectfully disagree with you on your points. Osteen and Warren are both extremely influencial people, and they have shaped the church more in the last few years than anyone else I can think of. Comparing Osteen and Warren with Benny Hinn is comparing apples to oranges. No one really takes Hinn seriously... but millions world-wide take Osteen and especially Warren very seriously. When was the last time Benny Hinn was invited to the White House?

I did not post these to stir up controversy, but as a warning to how these two gentlemen are drifting farther and farther from the truth.

Now, you are a moderator, and if you decide that this forum is not a proper place for these types of postings, then it is your perogative to remove them. I'm fine with that.

Personally I see these types of activities within the church to be signs that Christ is at the door, and people better wake up quick. If my posts steer one person away from the false teachings of these two gentlemen then to God be the glory.

If you wish I refrain from posting things like this, just let me know. I will comply, of course.

Love ya, bro! You know that.

Krispy

PS: I'm not aware of any old quotes in my posts from 4 or 5 years ago. All the quotes were from the past month. Just wanted to point that out.

Hey brother,

Always the unfinished business, the incomplete thought. Was just attempting to draw out one aspect here ... motivation primarily and what becomes of all these sort of things. It is not to denounce them wholesale nor imply anything being removed.

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Brad Wright

If I could only make one comment it would be PRAY FOR THEM. I know if I personally started to head in the wrong direction in ministry, I would want someone from the body of Christ to stand in the gap for me. I consider them my brothers, (I do not agree with everything they do) but at the same time I’m not willing to throw stones at them, but what I will do is put them on my prayer list.

God Bless

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