| Poster | Thread | DesiJr
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| | Re: | | Now about that scripture that says the author and finisher of our faith is very simple.
Who created everything?....God through Jesus.
Who created a way for us to have a relationship with God?....God through Jesus.
Who has redeemed us and has put us in right standing with God?...God through Jesus.
So did WE do anything at all to create or finish our salvation?.....NOPE Nothing at all.
So by believing in the truth that Jesus is our Saviour and having faith that he will put us in right standing with God is just us agreeing with what is already true.
Because we agree with God does not mean that we are creating the truth.
But...because we agree with God concerning our state and our need for a Saviour in Jesus...is what saves us or heals us. The fact that we choose to agree with what God has already claimed as His truth. So..whether we agree or not that has nothing to do with God's truthfulness. His truth is still true regardless of what we believe....Our belief or faith in his truth just makes us partakers of his promises.
Heb 3:12-15
12Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
15While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
And then the in verse 19 it says:
19So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
According to verse Hebrews 3:14 we are made partakers of Christ if we do what?
According to Hebrews 3:19 why didn't some enter into the promised land?
May God's Word continue to reveal Himself to us!
Love,
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|  2006/11/22 15:33 | Profile | andres
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| | Re: | | unbelief..
please answer my 2 question in my other post
what is the motivating force behind faith towards God? and where does that force come from?
or someone else answer
love andy
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| | 2006/11/22 15:43 | Profile | DesiJr
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| | Re: | | I'll take question 1 for 500 Bob?
Just kidding...
But I would like to answer.
No human can servant can answer for another servant. I can't say why someone chooses to agreee with God concerning salvation, I don't know their motivation. Only God can decide that.
Your second question, where does this force come from?
The force comes from their consciences which God has deposited in every single human being. When our conscience hears the gospel and we chose to agree with them both and surrender to these truths we are justified. If we deny our consciences and then deny the Gospel along with it we are causing our own destruction. |
| | 2006/11/22 15:53 | Profile | andres
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| | Re: | | what does the scripture say that faith works thru?
and where would this force come from?
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| | Re: Faith before salvation? | |
Faith comes by hearing the word of God.
We love Him because He first loved us.
Faith works thru love.
Grace works through faith.
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| | 2006/11/24 18:09 | | Logic
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| | Re: | | Quote:
andres wrote:
Please let us not put our dirty little hands on God Pure everlasting Grace by saying it was "OUR" faith that saved us.
And again andres wrote:
" our faith " is our work, in thinking that we can produce something to satisfy God's requiremnents..
remember where does a christian's faith comes from..
.. "every Good thing comes from above"... your scripture quotes are valid, but again, what is the motivating force behind a christians' faith?
and where does that force come from
Not all work is bad!
[b]Romans 4:5[/b] [color=990000]But to the one [b]not working, but haveing faith[/b] on Him justifying the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.[/color]
Faith is not a "work"
A work would be that of [b]Romans 4:2[/b] [color=990000]For if Abraham was [b]justified by works[/b], he has a boast, but not with God.[/color]
which is of the Law and contrasts [b]James 2:21[/b] [color=990000]Was not our father Abraham [b]justified by works[/b] offering up his son Isaac on the altar?[/color]
this is the work of faith,
Notice also how we should work:
[b]Hebrews 4:11[/b] [color=990000] Therefore, let us [b]labour[/b] to enter into that rest, that not anyone fall in the same example of disobedience.[/color]
What is this disobedience?
[b]Hebrews 4:2[/b] [color=990000]For, indeed, we have had the gospel preached to us, even as they also; but [b]the Word[/b] did not profit those hearing it, [b]not having been mixed with [u]faith[/u][/b] in the ones who heard.[/color]
How would the word not be mixed with faith?
[b]Hebrews 3:18[/b] [color=990000]And to whom did "He swear" "they would not enter into His rest," except to [b]those not obeying[/b]?
[b]:19[/b] And we see that they [b]were not able to enter in because of [u]faithlessness[/u][/b].[/color]
In other words: We should labour to mixed the Word with faith by obeying so we may enter into His Rest.
Faith is concieved from acknowlagment of the truth(the Word) and perfected in the reliance on the reality of it.
Therefore, ones faith is based on obediance to the truth(the Word) and that obediance is from our will and our own moral integrity. |
| | 2006/11/24 21:18 | Profile | andres
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| | Re: | | My friend the reason why a person goes after God is because He loves God. The reason a person belives God is because he loves God. A man's faith to God,comes from a Love for God. Before a man can have saving faith he must have a raptured heart for His maker. Now how can a man who "Hates GOD" Romans chapter 1 or 2. all of a suddden LOve God.?..., unless God changes his heart, and now that man will begin to breath the life of faith..which proves to all he is alive in rightousness.
"the Just shall live by faith"
All Humanities " Moral integrity" was lost during the fall, but regained by the life of Christ..and imparted by the Holy Spirit To those who believe.. My Moral integrity is worth nada"nothing"... but Christ's Moral Integrity is what I seek more off. ..
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| | 2006/11/25 0:48 | Profile | Christinyou
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| | Re: | | I agree to all you said. Saved by faith, imputed righteousness. Saved through faith, righteousness by Christ in you.
Phl 3:9 And be found in Him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Rom 3:30 Seeing [it is] one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
By Faith, imputed righteousness and Through Faith of Jesus Christ being made righteous by His righteousness.
1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
In Christ: Phillip
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| | 2006/11/25 2:48 | Profile | andres
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| | Re: | | i think the problem many of us have , and myself included is,we put God in our perception of what right and wrong is. so many times we try to put God in our box of morality.
what is fair to us may not be fair with God. and God as God may do as he wishes, and i think true faith is to trust in his wisdom when we can't see the fairness behind something.
example :
if a father said that it gave him pleasure to crush his son for acting bad.. we would want the that father to be put in jail and punished.
but Isaiah 53:10 says " Yet it pleased(Strong#2654) the Lord to crush His SON."
can we even dare to understand how God's wraith falling on His son pleased the father. In our natural eyes i think we would wish the scripture would say "Yet it hurt the father to crush HIs SOn". that makes more sense to us, but the scripture does not..
let God be who the scriptures says He is and let man be who the scriptures says we are.no more no less...
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| | 2006/11/26 20:19 | Profile | Christinyou
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| | Re: | | Isaiah 53:10-12 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
The Glory of Christ is so much more than the bruise on His heal. The Glory of the Lord by His bruising has given God His Father the Glory of all of God's creation. Christ is so much more than just His bruising and death on the Cross. Much more His resurrection and glorification to the only One that Saves to the utmost.
Jesus was not punished for what He had done wrong, He only learned obedience by the things He suffered. Jesus as God did nothing without the Father, as a man all He need learn was obedience, and He learned it perfectly. Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
By His Life we have Life, by His death we died to sin with Him, by His obedience we by the Faith of Christ have His obedience by His Spirit that is birthed in us.
In Christ: Phillip
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