"Pilgrim and Sojourner." - 1 Peter 2:11
There is not just sin in the camp, folks... there is gross sin in the camp.
This is very true and please brothers and sisters reconize this and let us all purify ourselves from all that defiles!
[b]boomatt[/b] and [b]bartle[/b] - I would ask that political talk to a extent be left out of this thread. I believe it is not suitable overall in the forums. I think the spiritual nature of what is going on and a warning to all christian's in leadership that are in sin is very clear. The great exposure is beginning, may we not be found with treasure in our tents.
SI Moderator - Greg Gordon
| 2006/11/3 15:39||Profile|
Bartle... I dont have time to respond completely... but guess what! There is a Democrat here that I am actually considering voting for for Congress because his values, etc are in line with mine.
I'm not a "party voter"... it just so happens that one party tends to share my values more than the other does. Especially when it comes to pro-life issues.
I'll get back to you on this later. I dont trust any man... evangelical leader, meth dealer... doesnt matter. The heart is desperately wicked!
| 2006/11/3 15:41|
I get fustrated every time I talk about politics, especially now, please pray for me that this won't cause me or any brothers to stumble.
| 2006/11/3 15:41||Profile|
"Pilgrim and Sojourner." - 1 Peter 2:11
Again please let us stop talking about politics, not that this has nothing to do with it but for the nature of the forums and the spiritual view we have there needs not be discussions in this manner. "we fight not againt flesh and blood."
Here is the excerpt on the "front page" of foxnews.com
Haggard admits buying meth, getting massage from gay escort, denies having gay sex
Rev. Haggard confesses to buying drugs, getting 'massage' from gay escort; claims he never used drug, had sex with the man
I am willing to say that is almost worse then Jimmy Swaggart because of the "homosexual" relation here! God help us! we need repentance in the body of Christ, if these things do not move us what will?
SI Moderator - Greg Gordon
| 2006/11/3 15:45||Profile|
again, I say, please forgive me too, if that post of mine seemed like a personal attack, I didnt mean it that way, I PRAY you know that...
When i write, my printed words cant convey my tone, and those who have talked with me, from this forum, know my tone and know my heart, and right now, I'm grieved, I'm angry, I'm frustrated.
I'm in the state of Illinois, and in my work, I'm meeting and talking with a lot of polticials, and we have a governors race going. I'm a democrat, and the incumbent democratic governor is just a mess, incompetent, surrounded by corruption and ineptitude...its bad, and I had a chance to meet with the republican candidate, Judy Barr Topinka. Now, Ms. Topinka, God bless her, isnt the brightest bulb on the tree (well never am I, but....) but after a lot of prayer and soul searching, I'm gonna cross party line and vote for Judy, coz I can't stand corruption.....when I tell my workmates, they are gonna be aghast but i don't care.
People have said to me, why don't you get into politics? besides reading the Bible, I love policy and my burden, my heart, my tears go out for the poor and the hurting and the lost, I wish I could I could take them in my arms and comfort them. Mind ya Matt, I aint no compassion fascist, big with other peoples money, I walk the talk....know what I mean? But after meeting politicians, and DISCERNING what their heartcry and burdens are, I've come to this conclusion in the leading of the Holy Ghost, its all about the money, its all about the power, and I want nothing to do with the combat of electoral politics, and the worship of money and power, that is the way of death, that is the way of Herod and of Caesar
I'm a follower of Jesus and I'm an artist, and God willing I'm gonna stay that. But what is happening with Ted Haggard has just grieved me.
Of course, I forgive him, he might have stumbled and stumbled big, but it's all so depressing.
Just trying to sort it out.
I thank you for being my brother, and by tolerating my words. I love you much, unseen, but not unfelt, bartle
| 2006/11/3 15:51|
boomatt and bartle - I would ask that political talk to a extent be left out of this thread.
understood, and will obey. Sorry, bro, I'm just trying to sort it all out, forgive me.
| 2006/11/3 15:54|
| Re: Greg|
God bless you Brother, I was never offended...you seem to have a cool job.
Anyways, have a good weekend brother, don't be so cold up there.
| 2006/11/3 15:58||Profile|
This almost reminds me of Clinton's testimony where he would never admit what it was. (Ted's Confession)
This whole thing grieves me because it's another bullet the world has in their ammunition against us. (big bullet)
Then I think who am I not to fall?? Am I too good for that? Only God can keep me. I really feel bad for him, family, and his congregation.
I think of Kirk Franklin going on Oprah and confessing his porno addiction, even after concerts praising Jesus. And Oprah said, "You see why we think of Christians as hypocrites?"
There was a season of my Christian life where it was very sinful season and God didn't expose me. I'm so grateful for that.
When do you think God says enough is enough and decides to expose you?
| 2006/11/4 0:34||Profile|
I first heard this news in bits and pieces at work today, and my first reaction was "I'm not surprised" (God forgive me, i don't know why i thought that). My next reaction was one of sadness, and i wanted to cry. I've never really been a follower of Ted Haggard, but this hurt me. I realized that any one of us can fall into sin (i have, any more confessors?). All we can do is pray for him, his family, his Church, and ourselves, for "let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall".
To echo the words of William Booth "Send the fire today! To burn up every trace of sin, to bring the Light and glory in. The revolution now begin. Lord send the fire today!"
| 2006/11/4 1:23||Profile|
I'm not passing judgement on Ted Haggard by what I am going to post... but I think what I have to say is very important. Not just for those who will read this, but for me as well.
Ted Haggard has apparently confessed to getting a massage from a gay prostitute, and to buying Meth out of curiousity, but throwing it away before ever using it.
Perhaps this is true, perhaps it isnt... only God and Ted Haggard know.
I've counseled people who have been caught in sin before. Earlier in my walk with the Lord I was exposed for several things as well. Nothing as serious as what Ted Haggard has been accused of, but it was embarrassing.
Our first reaction is to deny. Then it is to cover up. Adam was the first to do this. He covered up by blaming Eve. Cain denied killing Abel.
King David mastered this entire process.
Then... when we realize we're gonna get caught, we begin to admit just a little so as to keep the heat off us. This is what I call the "half-truth" stage. I've done it. We've all done it. We wont be honest about our sin, not even with ourselves.
God has a lot to say about lying. God hates lying. Satan is the father of lies. Satan was a liar from the beginning. Let God be God, and every man a liar.
This is for everyone of us here... there is no forgiveness for our sins if we are not totally honest with God about our sins. And we cant be honest with God until we're honest with ourselves. We cant justify sin. We cant admit half-truth sins. We have to admit all of it.
I have counceled people in adultry, and I do not suggest that the guilty party disclose every lurid detail to the offended party... even tho the offended party wants to know everything. All it causes is more hurt, and more memories, and is usually a road block in making reconciliation.
But what I do insist on is total honesty.. or I wont involve myself. Total admission by the guilty party that yes... I sinned. I cheated. And even tho we may have issues in our marriage, I am 100% responsible for what I did.
No one makes us sin. We do just fine on our own.
It doesnt matter what I think about Ted Haggards confessions. All I'm trying to tell all of us (myself included!) is that the best way to deal with sin is first off: FLEE! Secondly, when we sin He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins... but we must come to God with complete honesty about what we have done. No justifying, no blaming others... and take responsibility.
Let us all be honest with ourselves and with God.
| 2006/11/4 10:04|