| The "CRY of Dereliction"|
On a seperate thread:
What was the 'penalty' for sins? It is considered heretical to believe that Jesus went to Hell for our sins, so what is the extent to which He took our place?
I don't want to distract from the topic but I wanted to share some verse refrences in relation to this question that you posed. Maybe we can talk over them in messages or in another thread.
This is perhaps the most solemn subject. I wish to advance slowly and with great meditation and contemplation. What can be more serious than the 'Hour' in which the Lord paid the price to remove the offense that existed between us and God. May we love Him the more as He reveals to us the depth of His love when He gave Himself for us to redeem us from our iniquities.
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? (Mark 15:34)
Psalm 22 KJV
1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
2 O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8 He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.
23 Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.
24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.
25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.
26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.
27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
28 For the kingdom is the LORD's: and he is the governor among the nations.
29 All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.
30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.
Robert Wurtz II
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| Re: The "CRY of Dereliction"|
[b]My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
We here behold the Saviour in the depth of his sorrows. No other place so well shows the griefs of Christ as Calvary, and no other moment at Calvary is so full of agony as that in which his cry rends the airMy God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? At this moment physical weakness was united with acute mental torture from the shame and ignominy through which he had to pass; and to make his grief culminate with emphasis, he suffered spiritual agony surpassing all expression, resulting from the departure of his Fathers presence. This was the black midnight of his horror; then it was that he descended the abyss of suffering. No man can enter into the full meaning of these words. Some of us think at times that we could cry, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? There are seasons when the brightness of our Fathers smile is eclipsed by clouds and darkness; but let us remember that God never does really forsake us. It is only a seeming forsaking with us, but in Christs case it was a real forsaking. We grieve at a little withdrawal of our Fathers love; but the real turning away of Gods face from his Son, who shall calculate how deep the agony which it caused him?
In our case, our cry is often dictated by unbelief: in his case, it was the utterance of a dreadful fact, for God had really turned away from him for a season. O thou poor, distressed soul, who once lived in the sunshine of Gods face, but art now in darkness, remember that he has not really forsaken thee. God in the clouds is as much our God as when he shines forth in all the lustre of his grace; but since even the thought that he has forsaken us gives us agony, what must the woe of the Saviour have been when he exclaimed, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Robert Wurtz II
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| Re: The "CRY of Dereliction"|
Brother Robert, thankyou for the introduction to the topic and for calling us to a rememberance of how somber this topic is.
[i]No man can enter into the full meaning of these words.[/i]
Christopher Joel Dandrow
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A few years ago I spent some time at a small conference sharing on The Three Prayers of Christ. The 'prayer' from the cross was the 5th in the series. I don't want to detract from the meditation that I suspect Robert will take us on, but some may find a blessing in [url=http://mp3.biblebase.com/mp3/RonBailey/hi/ThreePrayers05_Calvary.MP3]The Prayer from the Cross.[/url]
Greg has this message on the website here but I think the link above is a better quality recording.
This audio file will cover some of the same ground: [url=http://mp3.biblebase.com/download.php?file=21]Psalm 22.[/url]
| 2006/10/20 15:18||Profile|
A few years ago I spent some time at a small conference sharing on The Three Prayers of Christ. The 'prayer' from the cross was the 5th in the series. I don't want to detract from the meditation that I suspect Robert will take us on, but some may find a blessing in The Prayer from the Cross.
I have not heard this message, somehow. :-? I will give it a listen. :-)
Psalm 22 is a wonderful message and I recommend all to listen to it a few times. It is very rich.
Robert Wurtz II
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All we can give God is what He has given us in Christ Jesus. To the effect and extent that we embrace the Love we have been given, are we able to give back to Him who loved us first.
In Christ: beyond all miracles, "That is Christ in you the Hope of Glory".
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