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| | God's love and anger toward the unsaved? | | I am trying to understand and reconcile the two biblical truths about how God loves the world and yet He is 'angry with the wicked everyday' (psalm 7:11) and 'you hate all workers of iniquity' (Psalm 5.
Is it wrong to say to the unsaved 'Jesus loves you'?
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Online! | | Re: God's love and anger toward the unsaved? | | Quote:
Is it wrong to say to the unsaved 'Jesus loves you'?
YES! God commendeth his own love towards us that while we were [b]still[/b] sinners Christ died for us. We are enemies of God but God died for us. We were not seeking Him but He sought us. That is true love, not some washy love but the true genuine article, strong love, love that sacrificed.
Should we just tell people that Jesus loves them and thats it? no! We are in rebellion to God.
1. We Are sinners.
2. We Are enemies of God.
3. We don't seek God.
4. We don't obey God's commands.
5. We crucified Jesus.
These things should be driven to people's consciences as true, reality of realities. Until people grasp this fact then there will be no acceptance of the Love of God and of Christ the pearl of Great Price.
We need to preach the sinfulness of sin, but also the gloriousness of Christ. If all people get from our message is how awful and wicked they are and God judging them then they have not realized the gospel message. They need to see the marvelous glory of Christ our God and His sacrifice on the cross in all its glory and shame.
We need to show their [b]Condemnation[/b] and then the [b]Cross[/b] as its cure.
The preaching must been from the foundation of love, God simply does not just hate the wicked but loves them so much (all creation) that he wants all creation to be obedient to Him. The world is lost like a wayward child, Oh how God wants the world to be reconciled to Himself.
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| | Re: God's love and anger | | What about God's love and anger towards the saved?
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| | 2006/10/4 20:46 | Profile | roaringlamb
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| | Re: | | You know recently I have been reading through the prophets, and I have been astounded by how GOD judged His people Israel because they were in rebellion to Him. I had to take a moment to digest that, as we have become so quick to point out how GOD is judging or is going to judge the unsaved for - well being unsaved, yet we don't think twice that He could judge HIS people.
Perhaps the new testament word would be "chastening", I do not know, but is it not arrogant to think GOD won't do the same to bring us back?
Also,I would have to agree with Greg. Telling someone that Jesus loves them while they are on the road to hell only comforts them in their rebellion to GOD when they need to be shaken awake by the Holy Spirit through our words. I think that unfotunately the effect of humanism within the church at large has led many to forget that man in and of himself is not capable of coming to GOD, as there is none that seek for Him.
So many people freak out when you say that man is depraved because they think someone is a Calvinist, yet they forget the Biblical testimony of man is that the imaginations of his heart is always wicked continually, and apart from a new heart there is no real interest toward GOD or HIS Son.
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1. We Are sinners.
2. We Are enemies of God.
3. We don't seek God.
4. We don't obey God's commands.
5. We crucified Jesus.
Don't you mean we "were" rather then "are"??
Ro 5:10 - For if, when we [b]WERE[/b] enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Ro 6:17 - But God be thanked, that ye [b]WERE[/b] the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Ro 6:20 - For when ye [b]WERE[/b] the servants of sin, ye [b]WERE[/b] free from righteousness
1Co 6:11 - And such [b]WERE[/b] some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
1Co 12:2 - Ye know that ye [b]WERE[/b] Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye [b]WERE[/b] led.
Ga 4:3 - Even so we, when we [b]WERE[/b] children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Eph 2:1 - And you hath he quickened, who [b]WERE[/b] dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:3 - Among whom also we all [b]had[/b] our conversation [b]in times past[/b] in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and [b]WERE[/b] by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Eph 2:5 - Even when we [b]WERE[/b] dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:12 - That at that time ye [b]WERE[/b] without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 - But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes [b]WERE[/b] far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:17 -And came and preached peace to you which [b]WERE[/b] afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 5:8 - For ye [b]WERE[/b] sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
The gospel is not merely that, "We broke the Law, but Jesus paid the fine" though that is part of it. But the gospel if far greater then just that. The gospel is that Christ can make a filthy sinner into a spotless saint! |
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| | Re: Christ doesn't love the sinner??? | | Quote:
Telling someone that Jesus loves them while they are on the road to hell only comforts them in
Christ seems so "unreasonable" to our natural way of thinking, doesn't he? It's amazing that countless have come to him BECAUSE they trusted his love, not in order to earn it. And Christ received them!
Does a father love his child only when he/she is good?
Can one be angry with the one he loves? Does anger require the withdrawal of love?
What might this kind of love teach the child? about God?
Perhaps a study on the Biblical meaning and use of the word "love" would be most worthwhile - and a good way to shed the faulty notions absorbed from culture and church.
"God so loved the elect that he gave his only...." mmm......... something wrong with that??
Should we be teaching "Jesus loves me.. " to our children?
What does love mean?
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| | 2006/10/4 21:32 | Profile | roaringlamb
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| | Re: | | I suppose it all depends on the situation. As always it is difficult to make broad generalizations as the modus operandi.
For instance if I met someone as I do frequently who is without hope in tis world, I will not kick them while they are down, but also I would rely upon the Spirit to speak words to them.
But if someone is very proud of their rebellion to GOD, then they should be humbled by the adiding wrath that is upon them.
[b]John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.[/b]
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| | Re: | | There was a study done and is cited in one of Ray Comforts books. The study showed that the majority of true converts came to Jesus not because of his "love" but because of the warnings to flee from the wrath to come.
I have had "countless"? people over the years tell me ",jesus loves me man, as they scittered of in there sinful ways. In another thread someone called for balance. Well in the old testament I read "behold the goodness and the severity of the Lord." And Paul proclaims declare the "whole counsel of God". So God can both love and hate, have mercy and have judgment. There is your balance.
God bless, John |
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| | Re: | | Thank you, Diane.
I do agree with you. Just as we hate it when our kids disobey us, so does God hates it when we disobey Him. Doesn´t mean He hates us.
Also, He doesn´t want anyone to perish, does He? He wants everyone to come to repentance, but while they are still sinners, He still loves them.
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