Brothers,

I keep coming across Scriptures that make me lean towards the indwelling being possible before the cross.

2 Sam 23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.

Psalm 74:2b this mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt.

1 Peter 1:10b-11a the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time [b]the Spirit of Christ which was in them[/b] did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ

I understand the modern theology concerning the indwelling. I would like to know where in the Scriptures it it shown that the OT saints did not have the indwelling. Also are there any giants of the faith that discussed this thought?

After a quick look, Lewis Sperry Chafer said that the OT saints had the indwelling, but that He did not make the saints His abode, but came and left as He saw fit (that would fill in some blanks).

Looks like some others say he did abide in the OT saints.

Wow. And another; AW Pink: "It is a great mistake to say, as many have done, that the Holy Spirit was never in any believer before Pentecost"

This should open up a can of worms.

All comments welcome.

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Hal Bachman

2Sa 23:2

Verse 2. "His word", That is; The following words, and consequently the other words and Psalms composed and uttered by me upon like occasions, are not to be looked upon as human inventions, but both the intent and the words of them are suggested by God's Spirit, the great Penman of The Word upon Israel and The Great Comforter and Writer also the Teacher in the Body of Christ; The old testament with and upon, The New Testament, in you, The Power an Sealer of our Salvation in Christ.

In Christ: Phillip

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Phillip

Why don't we see if we can create a fairly comprehensive list of such occurences and then see if we can discern a pattern. Here's are some to get us started.

[color=0000ff]“All the while my breath is in me, and [u]the spirit of God is in my nostrils[/u];” (Job 27:3 KJVS)

“And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, [u]a man in whom the Spirit of God is[/u]?” (Gen 41:38 KJVS)

“And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, See, I have called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah: And [u]I have filled him with the spirit of God[/u], in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship, To devise cunning works, to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass, And in cutting of stones, to set them, and in carving of timber, to work in all manner of workmanship.” (Ex 31:1-5 KJVS)

“And the Lord said unto Moses, Take thee Joshua the son of Nun, [u]a man in whom is the spirit[/u], and lay thine hand upon him;” (Num 27:18 KJVS)

“The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.” (2Sam 23:2 KJVS)

“And he said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee. And [u]the spirit entered into me when he spake unto me, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spake unto me.[/u] And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day.” (Ezek 2:1-3 KJVS)

“O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that [u]the spirit of the holy gods is in thee[/u], and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof.” (Dan 4:9 KJVS) & v18, 5:11

“Yet many years didst thou forbear them, and testifiedst against them [u]by thy spirit in thy prophets[/u]: yet would they not give ear: therefore gavest thou them into the hand of the people of the lands.” (Neh 9:30 KJVS)[/color]

No teaching of the person and work of the Spirit can ignore this kind of evidence. Are there others?

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Ron Bailey

None of these are the Filling Pentecostal Holy Spirit that is in the Body of Christ forever. They are as the breath of God in Adam. Coming upon and with them and not the indwelling Holy Spirit "in you."

In Christ: Phillip

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Phillip

Letsgetbusy wrote:

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Jeff Marshalek

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Ron Bailey

John (KJV)
32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which [u][b]baptizeth[/u] (immerse)[/b] with the Holy Ghost.

Enliven? Water the seed.

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Ron Bailey

Ron,

I tend to agree with Christinyou that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the N.T. saints in Chirist is "forever".

John 14:16
16And I will pray the Father, and He [b]shall [/b]give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you [b]for ever[/b], this precedes your quote on John 14:17.

The indwelling in the O.T. saints seemed to be temporal and work specific.

Enliven, water the seed.

I am still trying to put the pieces together.

The spirit part of us that died (went to sleep) when sin entered - because of the Fall . . .

When we believe on our Lord Jesus the seed is planted (to wake up our spirit) . . . the seed that Satan tries to snatch away.

After the seed is planted, through Jesus, the Holy Spirit Baptizes (waters - awakens, nourishes) . . .

But this is not possible until Jesus is Glorified, so in OT times the Spirit would be on dry ground (no seed), so while He could be in them, they could not be in Him (thier spirit is not yet awakened).

Somehow we are the Tree of Life (the tree that withers and dies if it does not bear fruit), planted beside (being sustained by) the River of Life (the Holy Spirit). Rev 22:1-2
--- No, Jesus would have to be the Tree of Life - we are only the branches - the branches bear the fruit - only through Him are we nourished - only through Him do we live - and only through the fruit (of the branches, having the seed within them) do others come to Christ!

I may have this all mixed up - please straighten me out if I do.