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 Re: WAL-MART Joins HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA

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nope, but my Pastor will be happy... ;)

Oh good.....!
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That is something to think about Dorcas.

Um....... pleasing your pastor?

Is that really what you're there for? ;-)

 2006/10/17 16:03
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IN HEAVENLY PLACES WITH JESUS

 Re: nakedicame

Nakedicame
you know i think i've found a kindred spirit about this issue in you!

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Is homosexuality the only Christian justice issue that gets us fired up?



you know i'd like to know too. i mean there have been a lot of discussions here in the past which involved homosexuality and those got long and sometimes ugly. yet not too many discussions about the sin of say adultery (be it physical or addiction to porn), our children and friends fornicating like it's going out of style and so on. it seems to me those issues (adultery and fornication) as far as sexual sins go are much much more rampant because there are by far many more straight people than gay and more homes have been broken up because of adultery than homosexuality...while i'm all for this constitutional ammendment to say that marriage should be for men and women only, we don't have a leg to stand on because divorce is about 50% even among evangelical Christians...YIKES!

i think the real problem is, we think homosexuality is a worse thing than anything we can do. we tend to be more harsh on sins we're not guilty of but the truth of the matter is that we are no better. we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory. in hebrews the word tells us that if we are guilty of say murder and not adultery, we are still guilty of it because we have violated one part of the law, we have violated it ALL.

we acknowledge and rail against the sin without but at the expense of dealing with the sin within...that is by far a much more terrifying thing because if that sin is not dealt with, God will punish us for it. Some may say "we are under grace therefore God won't be harsh with us" you can believe that mess if you want to but in Hebrews 2, Hebrews 10 and 1 Peter 2 we are told to be very careful that we don't treat this grace like rubbish because the judgement for that will be that much harsher.

another thing, we also feel that the wicked should get their just punishment, which is true, but we are also deserving of God's wrath because we're guilty of sinning against God also. in fact before the unrighteous can receive their judgement, we have to get ours first coz the word says judgement begins at the house of God. look in the revelation and before any seals are broken or anything like that, the seven Churches receive their letters and all but 1 have something to repent of...when the judgement comes it will start with the Church because we're supposed to be setting the standard. then the word sayys if the righteous barely get saved then what about the unrighteous? brethren who among us can say "i'm righteous." or "i'm holy"

that being said i pray we would all let God check us and call us out on our sins lest they fester and the catch His wrath...

i don't shop much at walmart, like their store brand whipped cream but in the grand scheme of things will our hearts be purer for not shopping at walmart or if we take responsibility for our own sins and be cleansed of them?

then the issues of maternity leave, sweatshop child labour on the part of some of walmart's suppliers seems to get swept under the rug, or at least not get as much limelight as the homosexuality thing...no wonder they won't repent, they see through our hipocracy...God HATES hypocracy...on our account and nobody else's but us Christians (and we will pay for it too) men the world over speak evil of God.

bro Bartle


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so true...

God help us...


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 Re: Walmart

May I please add a thought to this posting.... as I was thinking about this and other things that are going on in this world my thoughts went to the other items that are sold in this store, toys that promote violence, movies that promote adultry, witchcraft, yet are bought because the characters are so cute. Things that I would never bring into my home, but I shop there because of the prices. And then I was reminded of the men and women behind the registers , that when I ask them how is your day going, some open up to me and the door is opened to minister hope and healing or a word of encouragement. Then I thought of the local corner market where I stop to get my grandbabies a slurpee on a hot day and the pornography that is sold on the stands and the liquor in the cooler, yet the in one store the lady behind the register is from somewhere in Asia and can barely speak the language yet is so very kind to me that I can't help but say to her may you be blessed today. I ocasionally go to the most famous coffee shop in America, that is owned by those who have "come out of the closet" to get a cold frapachino when the degree outside is over 100 and see the young lady behind the counter with a troubled look on her face and say to her how is your day are you ok and she opens up to me and says she is having an argument with her boyfriend because he wants her to move in with him and she wants to wait for marriage, so in love I minister to her to stay pure and wait and offer other words of encouragement. Then I go to the local grocery store that sells liquor and other items that I don't buy and strongly opose, I walk up to the meat counter and order my meat and the young man is mumbling under his breath and I joking say are you singing and he tells me he is having a very bad day...again the door is opened to listen and smile and reassure him that there is hope. I laugh with the lady behind the register when she offers me the special of the week which is chocolate for the end of this month and say to her hon, I don't honor that day but I sure do love candy. I then go to the gas station to fill up my van and who knows what country we are buying it from and what my money is being used for and go inside to buy a cup of coffee for only a dollar.... and the man behind the counter tells me you are so blessed to be born ad raised in this country, we had to flee our country because of the persecution against the Christian faith...My daughters went to a public school and I was called from work one day to come and give her a tylenol because she had a headache and yet this same nurse can take a child to have an abortion without even dialing a number. My tax dollars at work today... I said all of this to say
we are in this world, but not of this world....Please let Jesus be seen in us and though us wherever we are...Shell station, Albertsons, Starbucks, Walmart, Workplace, Home..... Los Angeles
Arise and shine for the Glory of the Lord is risen upon thee, darkness will cover the earth, and gross darkness the people the Lord shall arise upon thee and His glory shall be seen upon thee Isaiah 60: 1-2

Thank you for listening to my thoughts on this matter
May God Bless you and Sermon Index.

May God have mercy in judgment on America.

 2006/10/18 15:45Profile
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Sister "coffee"

Thankyou for sharing the heart that Jesus has given you...

God Bless
Jeff


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Jeff Marshalek

 2006/10/19 15:05Profile
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dorcas wrote:
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nope, but my Pastor will be happy... ;)

Oh good.....!
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That is something to think about Dorcas.

Um....... pleasing your pastor?

Is that really what you're there for? ;-)



no, I meant will it make us more pure not to shop at that store...you have a good point.


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 2006/10/19 15:27Profile
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You have some great points, sister coffee.


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 2006/10/19 15:32Profile
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Dear Melissa and Jeff,

Thank you for your kind words.

Sis. coffee

 2006/10/19 18:15Profile
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Quoting dorcas:

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Will your heart be purer for resisting to shop at Wal-Mart?



Great question, I think, and your thoughts, especially the ones in your reply that I didn't quote, are important.

I suppose when we're talking about boycotting, I'm more interested in a person being obedient to their convictions rather than using it as a pedastol for proclaiming righteousness to the world. Don't get me wrong: there's a time and place for that, but first our concern is in our relationship to God.

I see spending power as a method of practicing our convictions and values similar to voting; everyone has heard the expression "vote with your dollars." And if we claim to value the existence and encouragement of the family unit, then our shopping, like our voting, needs to be a time when we honor that conviction (and in my original post, I said that valuing family cannot only be limited in regards to weariness of the so-called homosexual agenda, but also poverty, child-labor, pornography, etc.).

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Now, I understand there is a place for actively opposing sin and for proclaiming the righteousness of Christ, but, is boycotting a person's source of income - whose trading is honest, legal and decent - the correct way?


Then you have to ask yourself: what is "honest, legal and decent?" By Biblical and legal standards, the practices of Wal-Mart certainly aren't.

Having said that, I think you bring up an interesting point, and I agree that boycott isn't necessarily the "correct way." Boycott (withdrawing from commercial relations as a protest) can be valid, I believe, as one method to be good stewards of our spending power. However, our first concern should always be our relationship with God.

In that relationship, God calls us to obedience and consistency acccording to the values and convictions he has given to us; if that means we have to change our lifestyles, so be it. Consumerism and convenience are unfortunately common idols within the western church today, and at some point, we might be called to move in the opposite spirit. After all, God wants all of our lives--not just our intellect, our Sunday devotions, our sexuality--but also our financial stewardship. Our decision to form our spending habits may be quiet and non-vocal, or it may be a boycott, but in that, God's primary concern is our heart and an attitude of obedience.

How can we say we love God if we hate our brother? How can we say we hold a value or belief (e.g. sanctity of family) if we simply pick and choose where we want that to be practiced (only in response to gay marriage)? Let's not be victims of our Westernized church-culture but slaves of Christ and his transformation.

-Mikael

P.S. Sis. Coffee: thank God for people such as yourself. Our business interactions (as our other ones) should always be an opportunity to see Christ in others and to be Christ in return. I see and note your experience.


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 Re: Shopping on Sunday

I was not going to respond anymore to this discussion but after reading more, I am changing my mind! One of the advantages of being a woman! lol ;-)

In our community, Wal-Mart lead the way to be open for commerce on the LORD's Day, Sunday. That meant people had to be on the job instead of going to worship services. The harm this brought to the employees, is incalculatable. I have had many clients who detailed to me their path of apostasy. For some it involved being required to work on Sundays and not being able to go to church. Now you must know I did not ask them this, they volunteered this info.

This issue will raise another question: is shopping appropriate for the Christian on Sunday? In this discussion, other questions come to the fore, usually used to justify it, like what about occupations involved in support systems, like nursing, etc. I am talking about leisure shopping....

Something to think about...

ginnyrose


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No one is going to stop shopping at Walmart because of this. People depend on them too much for their stuff. The homosexual movement does what it does like a writhing snake through a crack in the floor. This is how the homosexual movement works - it goes to corporations and strongarms them into accepting their agenda. Once they have corporate support and people are forced to obey the corporate non-harrasment policies or be fired, then they have you. It's forced acceptance.

I think there's something we as Christians need to own up to right here and now, Western Christianity is against the wall. We are more and more becoming Sodom and Gomorrah. When a society refuses to hear Truth and opts instead to sit in its sin like a pig in its slop, there isn't anything short of the Holy Ghost going to awaken them.

America has out-right rejected the Jesus of the Bible. They don't want Him. They'll take parts of Him, but they don't want Him, and there's nothing you can do to change a man's heart who is bent on spiritual suicide. Men would rather DIE than turn to God.

Just as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man.

If it concerns you that bad, get off the message boards and start doing what God called you to do. Don't wait for someone to take you by the hand and lead you. Through prayer, fasting and the anointing of the Holy Ghost, get up from the laziness and marriage with this world and become a world shaker. Everyone's looking for someone else to do it, well that someone else is YOU!

Churchy game playing is over. Weak lethargic Christianity has killed us. Gird yourself up with the armor of God and get in line. There's a war going on around us, and it's time to enlist. Get up off the floor and join the war!


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