Brothers, I found an article at wallbuilders.com that I'd like to recommend to you on the issue of slavery and America's history. The article takes a look at what the scriptures say about slavery and also has alot of qoutes and facts of history from the founders.I think the article will be usefull in giving us all a clearer perspective on this.The article is [i]The Bible, Slavery, and America's Founders[/i] by by Stephen McDowellIt's available under [i]Issues and Articles[/i].I was surprised to learn for instance, that according to this article
[b]Many of the founders started and served in anti-slavery societies[/b].
_________________Christopher Joel Dandrow
Also, a thought: Why does Christ gain by displaying the Ten Commandments at a court house? Remember, we are not under the Old Covenant, but under a New Covenant.
KJ,For the law is a schoolmaster to lead them to Christ.They who are still under the old covenant. The law helps them to see more fully their sin. Also Thy law is perfect converting the soul!You'll find that in proverbs.Also the Law is etched in the supreme court building, moses with the two tablets. On and on I could go. Watch the dvd it will greatly help.God bless, John
Yesterday when I read this thread, it made me ponder a lot..even kept me awake last night! I sensed that both John and Ironman had valid points. But can there be a marriage of the two?There is one point that has not been mentioned and I would like to share this for your consideration.What is the value of symbols? What do they to us? Are they to please God? Are they to help us?Consider: the first symbol we read about in the Bible is the lamb that God slew to cover Adam & Eve's sin.(You all understand this, do you not? I do not have to go into detail why it was merely a shadow of things to come?) Later the symbol or ritual of circumcision was given as a token of God's covenant with Abraham. In the law there were others: like the fringe on the hem of a person's robe; or the tabernacle itself:its structure and rituals. Fast forward to the NT: you have baptism, the communion ritual, the washing of feet, annointing with oil, the veiling of the woman's head when praying or prophecing, men lifting holy hands....Now look at all these rituals: did they have redemptive value? Did observing these rituals ever make a man/woman holy before God? Why did God ask his people to observe them? Is it not because we are finite beings who need steady reminders of our limitations and that we serve an infinite being? Is not the act of our willingness to observe these rituals a demonstration to God - and the spirit world - that we are willing to be obedient to Him even in things that make little or no sense to us? Now about the symbols of Christianity in the public square: does it not edyify us all to see these displayed? Persecution: It is true the church has thrived under some persecution. Intense persecution has obliterated Christianity from some parts of the globe. Persecution is hard on a body, physically, spiritually, and mentally. Paul tells us we need to pray for our governments so we can lead a quiet and peaceful life. Jesus tells us in his prayer "Lead us not into temptation." If you are a parent who would have his children removed from the home because of your faith, how easy would that be? It has happened in the past and will likely happen again. Anabaptist history records an incident in which a child was given to an approved family after its parents were martyred and neither it or any of its descendents never did embrace Anabaptism. These are my thoughts on this issue and just thought I would share them for your consideration. I stand to be corrected if I am in error.ginnyrosePS: John, perhaps someday I will take the time to checkout the video you mentioned...many times I have problems viewing something like that online.
A question for you Jimmy: what happens when references to God are striken from the public square? from the market place? are not allowed to be mentioned?
For the law is a schoolmaster to lead them to Christ.They who are still under the old covenant. The law helps them to see more fully their sin. Also Thy law is perfect converting the soul!You'll find that in proverbs.Also the Law is etched in the supreme court building, moses with the two tablets. On and on I could go. Watch the dvd it will greatly help.
Hi everyone.KingJimmy, these last few lines here are some pretty strong statements to make. I think we should be carefull about this... you wrote
But the truth of the matter is this country was by in large (there are some exceptions) actually founded by greedy men whose greed went so far as to make God a tool and justification for rebelling against England. And once the God of deism was no longer needed to justify this rebellion, this God was forsaken.
sis ginnyrosei guess my feeling is that unless there is an expression of God in our lives there is no point in putting up any symbol because it then becomes hypocracy.i pray that God manifest Himself in our own lives in an undeniable way to His glory. AMEN.
what bothers me is that Christians are being more proactive about forcing the court system to back up public displays of their faith, than simply displaying their faith in their day to day activities and conversations
the striking of references to God from the public square is merely the symptom of a deeper problem.
"king" jimmy, You are responding out of pride and ignorance. Now if that offends you think about you sayng that I and others are talking "NONSENSE". Thats very insulting don't you think? How does it feel now?I will say that you had one thing right...when you said, "Actually I don't know".You are "botherd" that christians don't diplay their faith in their day to day activities. Well lets use Roy Moore as an example. Do you "know" his daily life? or do you know he dos'net display his faith? Also are you maybe missing the fact that the stand Moore and many took is a legitamate part of how they disply the truthfullness of their faith? Lastly remember what I posted elswhere the Judge over moore declared that it really wasn't about the display but rather whether the state can "acknowledge God" and his answer was NO! There's your deeper problem. God bless, John