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Joined: 2006/7/28
Posts: 144
Ann Arbor, MI

 X3 Church

I just got done listening to the most recently posted interview with Paul Washer and hearing his amazing analysis of modern american christianity. Immediately after I checked my e-mail and found a newsletter from XXXchurch - an organization apparently devoted to fighting against pornography. I have no idea how I made it on this list, but reading their newsletter almost made me sick. I have never read a more blatant attempt to fuse a Christian cause with worldly appeal. "Jesus loves Porn-Stars T-Shirts?" I am sure Paul (the apostle, or the southern Baptist :-) ) would have worn one of those..... Below is the newsletter:

[i][EDIT] - Moderator: I deleted the newsletter content finding it unsuitable for the audience.[/i]

 2006/9/4 2:47Profile

Joined: 2002/12/11
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"Pilgrim and Sojourner." - 1 Peter 2:11

 Re: X3 Church

I personally find this ministry which you can't even properly call it that pretty sick. Perhaps someone should email them a link to the paul washer sermon. It is sad that we are trying to be like the world to win the world but the truth is the world will win you! and it is when are doing this.

SI Moderator - Greg Gordon

 2006/9/4 3:01Profile

Joined: 2006/7/31
Posts: 14


I agree with you, however i have one point to make.

Yes the sin that they are in makes us sick, but arent we told to hate the sin and love the sinner, i personally agree with them that Jesus loves them as human individuals, but he also has no fellowship with them while they are still active.

I have had a real good look at the web site and most of the stuff they do is to help people who suffer from porn adiction, they even state in their beleifs that people need to turn from porn and live a life of integrity.

As someone who sells christian t-shirts myself i would have to say that yes these t-shirts are inapropriate. However, i think they are trying to get the point over that Jesus does love (even porn stars) but in the sense of those who are trying to overcome their adiction.

I think that we have to remember that we are all trying to overcome sin, no matter the size.

Yet while we are in our sin Christ died for us and we have to remember that when it comes to others who are not as far on as some.

i hope this opens a good topic.

yours in Christ

Dave G


 2006/9/4 4:01Profile

Joined: 2006/1/6
Posts: 31
Albuquerque, New Mexico


i agree mostly with that point, but I do use their accountability software and i think it's pretty good

Ben Ordaz

 2006/9/4 8:54Profile

 Re: X3 Church

[i]Moderator: I deleted the newsletter content finding it unsuitable for the audience[/i].


I'm a little concerned at your continual censorship of these issues, which are dealt with in horrifying detail in scripture.

I believe another reason the church and Christians are weak, is because they don't understand the idolatrous roots of such behaviour, and they aren't being challenged to turn away from idolatry, frankly, specifically and candidly enough.

Strongly I believe that the modern church's shying away from reading the full Bible in church, including chapters like Leviticus 18 on Sunday mornings, because such verses are considered 'not nice', or not suitable, is an attribute of the carnal mind.

It may be counter-intuitive to read Leviticus 18 on a Sunday morning to the adults and teens, but I can't think of a single reason why it should not be done. This would pave the way for some proper Godly exhortation to turn away from such things.

When you closed the last thread which hmmhmm posted, on sex, I planned to write an open letter to you and post it in the Lounge, but, my pc went offline and I've been limited for time on the internet. However, everything which I wanted to say came rushing back to me, when I saw the EDIT in the leading post.

I just think we are missing an adult opportunity to grow healthily in God.

Children these days are being given sex education from the age of 10, some of it horrifically specific about everything you don't want discussed in open forum. Parents should be responsible even for what they read on SI, but, in the absence of parental supervision, where ARE they going to find the Christian perspective on the net, if not on SI? Where do you want them to go instead?

Btw, if you think you are protecting the adults here, from temptation, then again, I contend they need to go through the mill with God and take responsibility for their own salvation. You can't do it for them. There's a boundary there.

 2006/9/8 13:48

Joined: 2006/5/22
Posts: 2674
Nottingham, England


Read through the posts concerning this thread and there are some solutions.

Have heard and read about this 'ministry' and they don't present the gospel of Jesus Christ, they give another gospel, using the Lord's name.

Avoid them. They are about as helpful toward pornography as the yellow arches are to a glutton.

As far as 'God loves the sinner and hates the sin goes, Psalm 5v5 says ... You hate all the workers of iniquity. Also in Psalm 11 v 5-6 it says 'The Lord tests the righteous, but the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates. Upon the wicked He will rain coals, fire and brimstone and a burning wind shall be the portion of their cup.

That cliche is just another one the church made up to make the sinner not feel so bad about their sin.

If anyone disagrees with Greg editing posts, then start your own website. He started this website, so what he says goes. If you don't like it, take the iniative.

For those who like and support a pornographic website that takes God's name in vain and breaks the 4th commandment, all I can say is God help you.

Hope these solutions help. God bless.

 2006/9/8 15:56Profile

Joined: 2003/6/11
Posts: 9192
Santa Clara, CA


For your obedience is come abroad unto all [men]. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil. Romans 16:19

I'm a little concerned at your continual censorship of these issues, which are dealt with in horrifying detail in scripture.

Don't know about 'continual' nor censorship, some things just do not need to be posted here, to use your own words;

There's a boundary there.

Mike Balog

 2006/9/8 16:15Profile

Joined: 2006/8/17
Posts: 286


Hey Enid, thanks for those verses. I needed those to counter that cliche. I used to say "God loves the sinner but hates the sin" until I realized it contradicts the Bible.

Open Air Preaching event:

Homosexual: ...yea but thank God we have a loving, merciful God who loves the sinner but hates the sin.
Evangelist: Where did you hear that? That's not biblical. That's just something Christians say so they won't offend homosexuals.

Thought that was pretty funny.

Back to X3 church. I went on that website at work and when somebody walked into my office I closed the window quickly. I felt uncomfortable and kind of nervous for some reason. Maybe because they might just glance at the big letters XXX or #1 Christian Porn Site and walk away confused or something. I don't know. Can't explain it but I side with Greg for deleting it.

I believe their X3 hearts are in the right place but we all know the heart is wicked and decietful and will stab you in your own back. Pornography is a HUGGGGGEEE problem in the church but I know these guys can go about it another way.

A while back Kirk Franklin was on Oprah Show. Topic: HUSBANDS SECRETLEY ADDICTED TO PORNAGRAPHY. He shared with the world that he used to praise Jesus on stage at his sold-out concerts and then indulge in porn after. This went on for years. Mr. Franklin went on to say he's free now BUT, Opray hit him hard for not blaming her for thinking the church is full of hypocrites. Then a sex-expert came on to address the men and said prayer is not enough and pointed to Kirk as proof. I felt bad for the guy for how he got used.

My point is that he probably came on there with good intentions but the enemy beat him around like a rag doll for that one hour. It was a set-up. Just like I think what's happening with X3 site. We must pray for these men in the limelight.

Leonardo Santana

 2006/9/8 16:36Profile

Joined: 2006/7/17
Posts: 140

 Re: Xchurch


Santana wrote

Pornography is a HUGGGGGEEE problem in the church

JennRich writes:
I know what you mean here, but let us remember that the church -- the true church -- is pure and beautiful; Christ keeps her that way. I go to church with Paul Washer and the #1 thing that comes up in most of his sermons is, "I'm so sick of hearing, 'There's just as much divorce/abortion/etc. in the church as in the world!'" No, there isn't. Anyone who practices sin (ongoing, with no true repentance) simply isn't part of the true church:

"No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God."
I John 3:9

Also, thank you, Moderator for NOT printing the stuff from that newsletter; we can get the drift without internalizing all the ugly details.

Jennifer Richardson

 2006/9/8 17:13Profile

Joined: 2006/6/28
Posts: 3405
Dallas, Texas


Greg, thank you for your wisdom. You foiled the enemy's plans. This thread would have taken off and spiraled into the realms of lasciviousness, like the previous one did.

You can't touch fire without getting burned. Oh, that God would give us all likeminded wisdom to [i]avoid the occasion.[/i] Cut it off at the root before the first bud even appears!

Brother Paul

Paul Frederick West

 2006/9/8 17:46Profile

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