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Thought it wise to bring up Philologo's earlier reply here once again. Before that, a mention to Bartle's first inceptions here. I am very much of a mind to hold things not yet present in abayance, but that does not mean there is no paying attention to what is going on in our midst;
Mar 13:33 Take ye heed,
for ye [u]know not[/u] when the time is.
Two reasons here. Today's news and the things going on would expect more opinions to come forth. That we recognise the difference between that which we suppose and that which is the essence of our duty. What Ron has spelled out below is preciesly the remedy and the responsibility that ought to be our's irregardless of what we might think of war, 'just war', 'no war' et al. Note how none of these matters is even hinted at in what follows. Put yourselves to praying people, I beesech you.
In our prayer meeting last week our thoughts turned to the current Middle East Conflict and we found ourselves praying, in accordance with the scripture, for Hamas, Hizbollah and the Taleban's leaders. 'for them' not 'against them'.
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
(1Tim 2:1-4 KJVS)
This is the passage where Paul goes on to instruct that we pray "...without wrath and reasoning" (1Tim 2:8) Do we understand that 'wrath' disqualifies our praying? and that 'reasoning' is no help either?
What did we pray? That God would speak to the hearts of all men in authority, not just those who think they hold the moral high ground. That He would bring to them a consciousness of Himself and of eternal consequences. That He would save them from themselves and their angers... so that we (and the inhabitants of Lebanon, Gaza, Israel and Afghanistan) might lead quiet and peaceable lives in all godliness and honest.
We prayed these things because 'this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour'.
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| Re: It IS World War Three...|
Quote:Isn't it precisely [i]because[/i] we don't know 'when the time is', that we are also told to [u]watch[/u]? There is an implication that those who are watching (Might 'watching' mean [i]unable to sleep[/i]?) (and praying), [u]will know[/u], and that [i]'praying'[/i] will not [i]avert[/i] anything God intends to bring to pass.... but, it may help us to be better prepared for His will.
ye know not when the time is
(NKJV) 1 Thessalonians 5
1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you.
2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.
3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.
4 [b]But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief[/b].
5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.
7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night.
8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and [as] a helmet the hope of salvation.
9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.
11 Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.
12 And we urge you, brethren, to recognize those who labor among you, and are over you in the Lord and admonish you,
13 and to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. Be at peace among yourselves.
14 [b]Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all[/b].
15 [b]See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all[/b].
16 [b]Rejoice always[/b],
17 [b]pray without ceasing[/b],
18 [b]in everything give thanks; [u]for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you[/u][/b].
19 [b]Do not quench the Spirit[/b].
20 [b]Do not despise prophecies[/b].
21 [b]Test all things; hold fast what is good[/b].
22 [b]Abstain from every form of evil[/b].
23 [b]Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ[/b].
24 [b]He who calls you is faithful, who also [u]will[/u] do it[/b].
25 Brethren, pray for us.
26 Greet all the brethren with a holy kiss.
27 I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read to all the holy brethren.
28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
Apart from praying for world leaders, local leaders, church leaders and each other, I (for one) need to pray for a clear understanding of what I (do) see, and God's perspective on it all.
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