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 Presbyterians Think Of Changing 'Father, Son, Holy Spirit'

The divine Trinity -- "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" -- could also be
known as "Mother, Child and Womb" or "Rock, Redeemer, Friend" at
some Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) services under an action Monday by
the church's national assembly.

Delegates to the meeting voted to "receive" a policy paper on
gender-inclusive language for the Trinity, a step short of approving
it. That means church officials can propose experimental liturgies
with alternative phrasings for the Trinity, but congregations won't
be required to use them.

"This does not alter the church's theological position, but provides
an educational resource to enhance the spiritual life of our
membership," legislative committee chair Nancy Olthoff, an Iowa
laywoman, said during Monday's debate on the Trinity.

The assembly narrowly defeated a conservative bid to refer the paper
back for further study.

A panel that worked on the issue since 2000 said the classical
language for the Trinity should still be used, but added that
Presbyterians also should seek "fresh ways to speak of the mystery
of the triune God" to "expand the church's vocabulary of praise and

One reason is that language limited to the Father and Son "has been
used to support the idea that God is male and that men are superior
to women," the panel said.

Conservatives responded that the church should stick close to the
way God is named in the Bible and noted that Jesus' most famous
prayer was addressed to "Our Father."

Besides "Mother, Child and Womb" and "Rock, Redeemer, Friend,"
proposed Trinity options drawn from biblical material include:

- "Lover, Beloved, Love"
- "Creator, Savior, Sanctifier"
- "King of Glory, Prince of Peace, Spirit of Love."

Early in Monday's business session, the Presbyterian assembly sang a
revised version of a familiar doxology, "Praise God from whom all
blessings flow" that avoided male nouns and pronouns for God.

Youth delegate Dorothy Hill, a student at Gordon-Conwell Theological
Seminary in Massachusetts, was uncomfortable with changing the
Trinity wording. She said the paper "suggests viewpoints that seem
to be in tension with what our church has always held to be true
about our Trinitarian God."

Hill reminded delegates that the Ten Commandments say "the Lord will
not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name."

The Rev. Deborah Funke of Montana warned that the paper would be
"theologically confusing and divisive" at a time when the
denomination of 2.3 million members faces other troublesome issues.

On Tuesday, the assembly will vote on a proposal to give local
congregations and regional "presbyteries" some leeway on ordaining
clergy and lay officers living in gay relationships.

Ten conservative Presbyterian groups have warned jointly that
approval of what they call "local option" would "promote schism by
permitting the disregard of clear standards of Scripture."

 2006/6/23 0:36Profile

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 Re: Presbyterians Think Of Changing 'Father, Son, Holy Spirit'

could also be
known as "Mother, Child and Womb"

I can hardly believe this. What is happening to the Church? Why would they ever do such a thing.

Was not Jesus specifically a male? Would that not make Him a son? Is not Mary the mother of Jesus? Doesn't that make God the Father? Is not the Holy Spirit the very Spirit of Christ? Will they not listen to the instruction of the Holy Spirit?

Slowly, the Church establishment is being taken by apostacy, and it will not be long before the Devil takes His throne.

I grieve this falling away from truth, and pray for the whole Church that Christ may usher a new era of unity where His true people will stand clearly seperate from the world.

May Christ be with us all,


Blake Kidney

 2006/6/23 8:16Profile

Joined: 2005/10/18
Posts: 490


Yes, this truly is amazing. I believe there is in a process a great separating going on in the spirit realm to those who really follow Christ versus those who say they do but really love the world. May the Holy Spirit gives us eyes to see during this season of apostacy.

Ed Pugh

 2006/6/23 9:50Profile

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