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boomatt
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My point in my earlier post was not defending Bush, or to attack everyone.

the point was to be careful not to believe everything the media says. They are so bent to show that Bush was a liar.

He didnt lie about WMD's. This was because of faulty intelligence. So people need to stop blaming him for that.

Also, did anyone hear about the audio tapes that were confirmed by the CIA to be Sadaam, where he actively talked about moving stockpiles of his weaponry to Iran. Even some of Sadaams ex-Generals said he had weapons, even if they werent Nukes, they were still used to kill innocent people. But you will never hear that from the media. They just downplayed the story and almost never reported it.

We cannot be deceived by people that just hate christians and want to bring them down.

I am not saying that Bush is a christian, obviously his fruit exposes himself. And I'm sure he could have lied about some things, but we need to be careful in exposing him using corrupt info. Washington Post is corrupt with these kind of people, as well as other major newspapers.

We need to pray for our leaders to repent, and to follow christ.

Peace and safety to you all

god bless


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Matt Kroelinger

 2006/4/21 13:17Profile
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bro Chris
i hear you and what i said was that all these allegations which are coming out should be cause enough for us to consider that maybe something is indeed amiss and like you said we have to investigate further. there is indeed a lot of mud-slinging from the democrats which really is of no good, it seems they've not figured out a way to question the administration without shrilling at the tops of their lungs or appearing irrational which causes them to be mocked by the republicans also.

you're right bro there are some things i disagree with Bush on but bro i do thank the Lord for the good which has been done under this administration but i hear from heaven also that a lot of shady things have been done and they are going to be exposed. there are some times when in my spirit i know that i know that what is being said is a pack of lies and it grieves me. however i'm also guilty of some shady things as we all are and it shall all be brought to the light. at the end of the day the Lord placed bush there in power in order to see His will done. i don't doubt the president to be saved, however since he is our brother in Christ we should examine the fruit from not only his tree but our own. if we see rotten fruit then we need a pruning...


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Farai Bamu

 2006/4/21 14:29Profile
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For what purpose does this serve?

New U.S. Embassy in Iraq cloaked in mystery

Baghdad locale, slated to be completed in 2007, to be largest of its kind


BAGHDAD, Iraq - The fortress-like compound rising beside the Tigris River here will be the largest of its kind in the world, the size of Vatican City, with the population of a small town, its own defense force, self-contained power and water, and a precarious perch at the heart of Iraq’s turbulent future.

The new U.S. Embassy also seems as cloaked in secrecy as the ministate in Rome.

“We can’t talk about it. Security reasons,” Roberta Rossi, a spokeswoman at the current embassy, said when asked for information about the project.


A British tabloid even told readers the location was being kept secret — news that would surprise Baghdadis who for months have watched the forest of construction cranes at work across the winding Tigris, at the very center of their city and within easy mortar range of anti-U.S. forces in the capital, though fewer explode there these days.

The embassy complex — 21 buildings on 104 acres, according to a U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee report — is taking shape on riverside parkland in the fortified “Green Zone,” just east of al-Samoud, a former palace of Saddam Hussein’s, and across the road from the building where the ex-dictator is now on trial.

The Republican Palace, where U.S. Embassy functions are temporarily housed in cubicles among the chandelier-hung rooms, is less than a mile away in the 4-square-mile zone, an enclave of American and Iraqi government offices and lodgings ringed by miles of concrete barriers.

5,500 employees at the embassy
The 5,500 Americans and Iraqis working at the embassy, almost half listed as security, are far more numerous than at any other U.S. mission worldwide. They rarely venture out into the “Red Zone,” that is, violence-torn Iraq.

This huge American contingent at the center of power has drawn criticism.

“The presence of a massive U.S. embassy — by far the largest in the world — co-located in the Green Zone with the Iraqi government is seen by Iraqis as an indication of who actually exercises power in their country,” the International Crisis Group, a European-based research group, said in one of its periodic reports on Iraq.

State Department spokesman Justin Higgins defended the size of the embassy, old and new, saying it’s indicative of the work facing the United States here.

“It’s somewhat self-evident that there’s going to be a fairly sizable commitment to Iraq by the U.S. government in all forms for several years,” he said in Washington.

Higgins noted that large numbers of non-diplomats work at the mission — hundreds of military personnel and dozens of FBI agents, for example, along with representatives of the Agriculture, Commerce and other U.S. federal departments.

They sleep in hundreds of trailers or “containerized” quarters scattered around the Green Zone. But next year embassy staff will move into six apartment buildings in the new complex, which has been under construction since mid-2005 with a target completion date of June 2007.

Iraq’s interim government transferred the land to U.S. ownership in October 2004, under an agreement whose terms were not disclosed.

“Embassy Baghdad” will dwarf new U.S. embassies elsewhere, projects that typically cover 10 acres. The embassy’s 104 acres is six times larger than the United Nations compound in New York, and two-thirds the acreage of Washington’s National Mall.

Estimated cost of over $1 billion
Original cost estimates ranged over $1 billion, but Congress appropriated only $592 million in the emergency Iraq budget adopted last year. Most has gone to a Kuwait builder, First Kuwaiti Trading & Contracting, with the rest awarded to six contractors working on the project’s “classified” portion — the actual embassy offices.

Higgins declined to identify those builders, citing security reasons, but said five were American companies.

The designs aren’t publicly available, but the Senate report makes clear it will be a self-sufficient and “hardened” domain, to function in the midst of Baghdad power outages, water shortages and continuing turmoil.

It will have its own water wells, electricity plant and wastewater-treatment facility, “systems to allow 100 percent independence from city utilities,” says the report, the most authoritative open source on the embassy plans.

Besides two major diplomatic office buildings, homes for the ambassador and his deputy, and the apartment buildings for staff, the compound will offer a swimming pool, gym, commissary, food court and American Club, all housed in a recreation building.

Security, overseen by U.S. Marines, will be extraordinary: setbacks and perimeter no-go areas that will be especially deep, structures reinforced to 2.5-times the standard, and five high-security entrances, plus an emergency entrance-exit, the Senate report says.

Higgins said the work, under way on all parts of the project, is more than one-third complete.

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What fruit will this bring? It reminds me of Scripture...

Micah 7:
2 The faithful man has perished from the earth,
And there is no one upright among men.
They all lie in wait for blood;
Every man hunts his brother with a net.
3 That they may successfully do evil with both hands—
The prince asks for gifts,
The judge seeks a bribe,
And the great man utters his evil desire;
So they scheme together.
4 The best of them is like a brier;
The most upright is sharper than a thorn hedge;
The day of your watchman and your punishment comes;
Now shall be their perplexity.

In Christ
Jeff


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Jeff Marshalek

 2006/4/21 15:56Profile
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 Re:

What fruit have YOU brought by showing this article?

Of course your going to build a big compound where you are under the threat of being bombed!


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Matt Kroelinger

 2006/4/21 16:04Profile
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Brother Matt wrote:

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Of course your going to build a big compound where you are under the threat of being bombed!



Why do they anticipate being bombed for years to come?

Why are we building a fortress in the nation of Babylon?

In Christ
Jeff


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Jeff Marshalek

 2006/4/21 18:01Profile
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The threat of Islam will take years to erase, if not impossible. It takes much needed education in that area, unfortunately, I dont believe they will be taught christ.

I feel the U.S is taking appropriate steps needed to secure itself, just look at Israel.

I feel this will help us out in the long run.

I also am not saying that I agree that we should be in this for the long haul, but my brother already told me they are building huge Barracks to house the soldiers out there.

Please pray for him, his name is Will. He is actually scheduled to go back out there two weeks after my wedding(early August). Please pray for his salvation and safety.

Thank you for this good dialogue Rookie. May the Lord continue to bless your life brother.


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Matt Kroelinger

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 Re: some questions

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The threat of Islam will take years to erase, if not impossible.


A question for you: What does Scripture teach about national security? How is it acquired? What methods should we employ? Is there anything we can learn from Israel's history regarding this issue?

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It takes much needed education in that area, unfortunately, I dont believe they will be taught christ.


Is our security dependent on the enemy becoming Christian?

Also, how are we to "educate", or rather evangelize them about Christ? Did Christ teach us how? Can we apply his teaching to this situation?
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I feel the U.S is taking appropriate steps needed to secure itself


By "appropriate", do you mean in line with Scripture?
Diane


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Diane

 2006/4/21 23:00Profile
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Of course the only real security we have is in christ, everything else is vanity. Islam is a deadly threat anybody who doesnt believe in Allah.

If we reach out to Iraqis with the love of christ, and pray for salvation for their souls, we wouldnt have anymore enemy, called Islam.

When I said that the US is taking appropriate steps to secure itself, I mean for the safety of the Americans Physically. Not spiritually.

This reminds me, I read that after WWII, One of the Generals for the U.S. in the pacific recommended 45,000 missionaries go to the area. I would definitely say that is needed today, but unfortunately thats not gonna happen.

Leonard Ravenhill said it best when he said that:
"The only thing we learn from history, is that we dont learn from history"

God bless all







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Matt Kroelinger

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Hi rookie...

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I brought up the idea of Clinton and Gore being Southern Baptists to raise the point of fruit inspection, just like these posts that I have made to point to the actual lies that do exist in this administration. The deeds men do in darkness will come to the light.

I'm not trying to act like I understand your motive for this thread. And of course, I am not trying to question whether you are a liberal or yet another vocal critic of the President of the United States. But your post seems to indicate that you actually [u]believe[/u] that President Bush lied. That is a rather strong accusation to make. Perhaps this is due to the "sources" that you read, or from the people in which you associate. But there has [u]never[/u] been any concrete proof as such. In such an open and free society as this, where even media-beloved ultra-liberal men like Bill Clinton cannot escape the truth, one would imagine that there would be some sort of concrete proof of such deception. In fact, even Administration “outsiders” (like Colin Powell) believed the intelligence as handled by the FBI. It seems like the only individuals that “didn’t believe the intelligence” were men that were silent at the time, and only became vocal following a lack of promotion or accolade -- and after the urges of ultra-left Democrats in Congress.

Like I said, I am not a "[i]blind supporter[/i]" of the President (or the Republican Party). And in fact, I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I only cast my vote after much prayer and with great consideration. But there are issues that I believe are of extreme importance. Of course, these include topics about abortion, the homosexual agenda, euthanasia, legalized drugs, religious liberty, pornographic and offensive “art,” bigotry toward Christianity by the media, etc… In the past few years, we have seen people that name the Name of Jesus publicly join the choruses of “HATE BUSH” rhetoric offered by liberal organizations. Some of them cite some “sources” from obviously biased articles (including those from liberal newspapers like the Washington Post or New York Times). It hurts to see people make such "[i]blind accusations[/i]" in the name of Christ.

If you believe that President Bush actually lied, then it is important of you to at least present some sort of real document to substantiate something as such. Otherwise, such statements are [i]speculation[/i] at best, or possibly, “[i]libel[/i].” Over the years, there have been a lot of “urban legends” released onto the internet that is sometimes believed by many individuals. Such inventors of spin realize that if something is repeated long enough, even if it isn’t true, many people will believe it. It is important that, as I Thessalonians 5:21 says, we “test everything.” But we need to be careful that, by our skepticism, we do not fall into the plans of the individuals spreading it. Once something is tested, and it is found to not fail such a test, then we should remember the second part of this admonition – “Hold on to that which is good.”

Interestingly, my uncle is a contract worker that was injured in Iraq during the first year of the war (but shortly after the remaining Iraqi leadership surrendered). His armored humvee was hit by an RPG in Fallujah, killing the men sitting on both sides of him (including his best friend). What was my uncles doing in Iraq? He was destroying the illegal Iraqi weapons that were banned following the first Gulf War. Where were these weapons from? They were illegally purchased from France, Germany and Russia. Tons of these powerful weapons were destroyed on a daily basis, while the legal weapons were saved for the future Iraqi army. To this day, they are [u]still[/u] destroying tons of these illegal weapons (many of which were used on civilians) everyday. They find such weapons everyday – mostly hidden in underground bunkers and “civilian” facilities. And interestingly, they are still looking for the WMDs that Saddam boasted as having possessed. If you would like, I have a lot of photos of these weapon stockpiles and daily detonations.

My uncle recently returned to Iraq in order to continue this work. He feels much more confident in the purpose of this mission than he did when the war began. While the media tends to focus on the war in a negative light, my Uncle is impressed with the progress that has already been made. In fact, he insists that there is no longer any “war” (in the sense of daily combat), but simply small groups of terrorist insurgents being hunted by joint US, UK, Iraqi and other coalition forces. Slowly, the new Iraqi forces are handling such insurgents.

Why did I vote for President Bush? Because of the issues that were listed in my previous post below. Do I believe that he is a Christian? That is not my call. In fact, I cannot judge that he is -- or isn't. I am just happy about the stands that he has taken against much of the blatant liberal-extremism that began during the Clinton Administration, and continues in much of the visual and printed media today. We should be careful not to believe everything that we are told except through the greatest of scrutiny and study. Of course, there is propaganda on all sides. So which side should we believe? We can ONLY trust in the Lord! We should take the advice of the angel as reported in Joshua 5:13-15:
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13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?

14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?

15 And the captain of the LORD's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

As far as the mention of the large US Embassy currently being constructed, you should really read up on the embassies around the world. During my graduate thesis, I studied the Iran Hostage Crisis. One of the conclusions from that crisis was the need for larger and more secure Embassies in nations that are prone to crisis or violence. This was never more evident than in the two US Embassies in Africa that were attacked by Al Quaeda during the Clinton Administration (resulting in scores of deaths). An old saying that deserves some consideration is as follows, “Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.”

:-)


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 Re: President Bush, Good or Bad Fruit?

WMD aside, Saddam Hussain Provoked the U.S., U.N., and the Entire Arab world with his shenanigans, terror,and wars. Forgotten the Invasion of Kuwait already? How about the Iran/Iraq war(8 years) He planned an invasion on Saudi Arabia, thats why U.S. troops were there in the first place. What about his threats to "Incinerate Israel"? This man and his savage sons RAPED woman, put people in MEAT GRINDERS, and used WMD on a kurdish uprising KILLING THOUSANDS. He also taunted the world and had to be cooped up in a "No-fly" zone for 11 years costing the US millions of dollars. I know Arabs(Iraqis) in this country who hate Saddam Hussain, and are glad he is gone. Saddam is a thug. Hussain kept the peace in Iraq by CRUSHING DISSENT BRUTALLY! The Iraqis know his crimes better than anybody and he will now get to answer for them. May God receive his soul. "The face of the Lord is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth" Ps.34:16

 2006/4/22 5:31





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