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pastorfrin
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Are we seeking merely the honors of heaven, or should we esteem it a privilege to be reproached and reviled as Christ was - to have our names cast out as his was - to be made the object of sport and derision as he was - and to be held up to the contempt of a world as he was? If so, it is an evidence that we love him; if not so, and we are merely seeking the crown of glory, we should doubt whether we have ever known anything of the nature of true religion.




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They who are most like him in the scenes of humiliation here, will be most like him in the realms of glory.



"All that thrills my soul is Jesus;
He is more than life to me;"

Thank You Sister, this must be our desire, the fellowship of His suffering.


John 15:18-21 "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me."


Oh that I may know Him more today then yesterday

 2007/11/20 20:30Profile









 Re: That I may Know Him

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[i]"When we speak in His Name, we represent our Lord and King. We speak for Him. As a wife is authorized to write checks on her husband's account, so we draw on the resources of God by speaking or acting in His Name.

We can't take this privilege lightly. He "has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in light" through identification with Jesus Christ in His death and resurrection life. But only when we, who are "born of the Spirit", choose to "walk in the Spirit", are we truly authorized in the power of the Spirit to draw resources from the heavenly account.

His names not only tell us who God is, they also in reminds us who we are in Him. Since He is our Shepherd, we are His sheep. Since He is our wonderful Father, we are His precious sons and daughters. Since He is our mighty King, we are His protected and privileged subjects. Since He is the whole Vine, we are branches filled with His very life. And since He is our Bridegroom, we are His beloved bride and may delight in Him forever.

By our union with Jesus Christ at the cross, He lives His life in us and shares with us His character as well as His Name. No matter what happens in the world, our lives are bound to Him in an eternal love relationship. Knowing His names will open the door of our hearts to all that He longs to give us in Himself."[/i]

[url=http://www.crossroad.to/Victory/names/1-contents.htm]The Names of GOD.[/url]



Shalom !

 2007/11/23 2:00
pastorfrin
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To know Him we must have hope.

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"Hope means choosing to trust God, to remember His promises, to wait for His timing, to endure the pain He allows and to ever rejoice in His total sufficiency. It means running unhindered the race set before us, "looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:2

Remembering God's love in the past, Jeremiah could look confidently toward the future:

This I recall to my mind,
Therefore I have hope.
Through the Lord’s mercies we are not consumed,
Because His compassions fail not.
They are new every morning;
Great is Your faithfulness.
'The Lord is my portion,' says my soul,
'Therefore I hope in Him!'” Lamentations 3:21-24"

The Names of God



 2007/11/25 19:06Profile









 Re: That I may Know Him

My Friend

“...the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend.” Exodus 33:11

What a Friend we have in Jesus!

He knows all my faults, yet He called me to be His friend. He sees all my weaknesses, but all the more gladly He supplies all I need for my next assignment. I only see the next few steps of our journey together, but I know I can trust Him to lead me all the way home.

He is my strength and my shield, my Shepherd and my Lord!

To Him I confess every sin and failure. With Him I share all my thoughts and feelings, frustrations and fears, sorrows and joys. To Him I confide my deepest needs and longing. He always understands!

He listens to my heart as well as my words. He hears my thoughts as well as my prayers. He tells me the truth, even if it hurts. He really cares!

Jesus rejoices with me when I am happy in Him. When I am sad, He shares my grief. When I'm too tired to go on, He holds me up. When I lose my way, He takes my hand and guides me in His paths. My Friend is always there!

He tells me His thoughts and plans. In His love-letters to me -- they are all in my precious Bible -- He confides His deepest longing. He shares His joys as well as His sufferings. He shows me why He gave His life for me: so that He and I can be one for all eternity!

Because He joined me to Himself through the cross, [i]His friends are my friends.[/i] His enemies are my enemies. His battles are my battles. And He always wins!

Sharing a few of His wounds and battle scars help me treasure His triumph all the more!

Every morning we plan our day together. All day long we walk and talk together. We are inseparable!

My Friend is wise, patient, loving and kind. He is faithful, considerate, unchanging and pure. He is strong, dependable, loyal and true. He meets all my needs!

"This is my Beloved and this is my Friend!" Is He your Friend, too?

Jesus, my dearest Friend,

I still can't understand why you chose me as your friend for all eternity -- but you did!

I long to be a good friend to you, but only by your life and strength can I even begin to do my part.



Thank you for standing with me as I learn to listen more carefully, respond more consistently, follow you more faithfully, and minister to your other friends more joyfully.




[url=http://www.crossroad.to/Victory/names/1-contents.htm]The Names of GOD.[/url]


 2007/11/25 20:18
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By the greatest act of Love that has ever been, God the Father Gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him will have everlasting life.

This Act of Love is The Father cohabitating with the believer in, that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, He God the Father places His Incorruptable Seed in the believer and is now a spiritual son of God.

The only way a believer can have the nature of a Father, God Himself in Him is to be birthed by a Father, we are truly a "new creation race of people, not just a created being, becoming better, but a born again son of God.

This is what is missing from the Church and missing even from those that believe and are born again, they don't understand the Mystery, the rebirthing, that Paul had revealed to Him direct and from the Son of God Himself. Paul mentions the Mystery over 20 times and this Mystery is the Born Again experience which Jesus said Himself was like the wind blowing and not knowing where it is coming from.

John 3:5-12 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

The Mystery: Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables:

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

1Cr 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

This is where we were before the world began, this is the beginning of our Life, not from earthly fathers and mothers or when we were born again, but the wonderful thought of God, I want son's and daughter's with me in My House. I will have to find a way to birth my own offspring, that may have my nature and will fit in My House and we will live together forever, because of My Only Begotten Son that will be their sacrifice and their new life in Him.

Ephesians 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

Here It is, The Mystery: Ephesians 1:9-10 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Revealed to Paul: Colossians 1:25-28 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

This is the only way we can enter the Kingdom of God, that is being perfect in Christ Jesus the Incorruptable Seed birthed in us. The Word Himself, of the Father, born again and making us a new creation Race of God's Children.

1 Peter 1:22-25 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

In Christ: Phillip


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 2007/11/26 20:17Profile
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 Re: To Know Him More

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HE_Reigns wrote:
My Friend

“...the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend.” Exodus 33:11

What a Friend we have in Jesus!

He knows all my faults, yet He called me to be His friend. He sees all my weaknesses, but all the more gladly He supplies all I need for my next assignment. I only see the next few steps of our journey together, but I know I can trust Him to lead me all the way home.

He is my strength and my shield, my Shepherd and my Lord!

To Him I confess every sin and failure. With Him I share all my thoughts and feelings, frustrations and fears, sorrows and joys. To Him I confide my deepest needs and longing. He always understands!

He listens to my heart as well as my words. He hears my thoughts as well as my prayers. He tells me the truth, even if it hurts. He really cares!

Jesus rejoices with me when I am happy in Him. When I am sad, He shares my grief. When I'm too tired to go on, He holds me up. When I lose my way, He takes my hand and guides me in His paths. My Friend is always there!

He tells me His thoughts and plans. In His love-letters to me -- they are all in my precious Bible -- He confides His deepest longing. He shares His joys as well as His sufferings. He shows me why He gave His life for me: so that He and I can be one for all eternity!

Because He joined me to Himself through the cross, [i]His friends are my friends.[/i] His enemies are my enemies. His battles are my battles. And He always wins!

Sharing a few of His wounds and battle scars help me treasure His triumph all the more!

Every morning we plan our day together. All day long we walk and talk together. We are inseparable!

My Friend is wise, patient, loving and kind. He is faithful, considerate, unchanging and pure. He is strong, dependable, loyal and true. He meets all my needs!

"This is my Beloved and this is my Friend!" Is He your Friend, too?

Jesus, my dearest Friend,

I still can't understand why you chose me as your friend for all eternity -- but you did!

I long to be a good friend to you, but only by your life and strength can I even begin to do my part.



Thank you for standing with me as I learn to listen more carefully, respond more consistently, follow you more faithfully, and minister to your other friends more joyfully.




[url=http://www.crossroad.to/Victory/names/1-contents.htm]The Names of GOD.[/url]





Thank You for this Annie,

As I was reading this evening I came upon this devotion by Spurgeon, which remined me of this thread and is something I would like to share with all,

My Friends at SI.

Please read and seek to,

“Grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.”
— 2 Peter 3:18

“Grow in grace”—not in one grace only, but in all grace. Grow in that root-grace, faith. Believe the promises more firmly than you have done. Let faith increase in fulness, constancy, simplicity. Grow also in love. Ask that your love may become extended, more intense, more practical, influencing every thought, word, and deed. Grow likewise in humility. Seek to lie very low, and know more of your own nothingness. As you grow downward in humility, seek also to grow upward —having nearer approaches to God in prayer and more intimate fellowship with Jesus. May God the Holy Spirit enable you to “grow in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour.” He who grows not in the knowledge of Jesus, refuses to be blessed. To know him is “life eternal,” and to advance in the knowledge of him is to increase in happiness. He who does not long to know more of Christ, knows nothing of him yet. Whoever hath sipped this wine will thirst for more, for although Christ doth satisfy, yet it is such a satisfaction, that the appetite is not cloyed, but whetted. If you know the love of Jesus—as the hart panteth for the water-brooks, so will you pant after deeper draughts of his love. If you do not desire to know him better, then you love him not, for love always cries, “Nearer, nearer.” Absence from Christ is hell; but the presence of Jesus is heaven. Rest not then content without an increasing acquaintance with Jesus. Seek to know more of him in his divine nature, in his human relationship, in his finished work, in his death, in his resurrection, in his present glorious intercession, and in his future royal advent. Abide hard by the Cross, and search the mystery of his wounds. An increase of love to Jesus, and a more perfect apprehension of his love to us is one of the best tests of growth in grace.

Spurgeon, C. H.



My most earnest prayer for all of us who name the name of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour,

Is that we,


“Grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.”
— 2 Peter 3:18

Philip. 3:10-12
That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [11] If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. [12] Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.


That we may all know Him 'More' in the days ahead.

In His Love
your friend

 2008/1/4 23:44Profile









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LORD Bless ya Friend. Those verses were on my mind all yesterday and today - more than usual. One Spirit.

You've hit it - to The HEAD, in this thread.

Him and Him alone. Who is JESUS? - [b]GOD![/b]

He never limits how much of HIM we can have or how close He'll allow us to come to HIM - we just need to count the cost and lose all else in our desire to 'see' HIM. (Paul's other word for "know").
Only the human body limits how much we can take of knowing HIM (seeing His Glory) - yet He allows enough so that we'll never be the same again, once He parts that veil for our 'seeking'.
It sure would be a fantastic way to go though. Will keep 'seeking' until the body [i]can't[/i] take it. [b]GLORY TO GOD![/b]


"Swing low, sweet chariot .... !" :-D



Here's something more -


[url=http://revivalschool.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=8531&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45]A prayer from our moderator-sister at RS.[/url]

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[b]Many say then how should we pray?

I would say to you - PRAYER IS MORE NECESSARY NOW THAN EVER BEFORE - CONCERNING THE SPIRITUAL CLIMATE OF THIS NATION - AND IT'S PEOPLE - PRAY FOR THE BODY OF CHRIST! - FOR THOSE WHO ARE HELD CAPTIVE IN THE HARLOTS GRIP!

PRAY THAT YOU CAN STAND IN THESE LAST DAYS.

MAKE SURE YOU KNOW JESUS - PERIOD!!! - THAT YOU HAVE AN ON GOING RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM - UNSHAKABLE FAITH IS WHAT WILL SUSTAIN US - YOU MUST COME TO A POINT OF PEACE IN ALL OF THIS - WHERE YOU CAN SAY - OUR FATHER WHICH ART IN HEAVEN - HOLY IS YOUR NAME - THY KINGDOM COME - "THY WILL BE DONE - ON EARTH" - AND - THAT WILL ONLY COME FROM RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.

PRAY FOR GODS MERCY IN HIS JUDGMENT ON THIS NATION - I BELIEVE WE WILL SEE SEVERAL MAJOR JUDGMENTS ON THIS NATION - PRIOR TO THE DESTRUCTION.

I MYSELF BELIEVE THE - - - "COME OUT FROM HER" - - - TO MEAN HER ABOMINATIONS AND IDOLATRIES - HER ENTICEMENTS AND HER MANY DECEPTIONS - NOT PHYSICALLY COME OUT OF HER - REMEMBER IT IS DURING THIS TIME THAT WE HAVE BEEN SET AS CHRISTIANS FOR SUCH A TIME AS THIS TO SHINE OUR LIGHTS AND GO TO THE HARVEST AND REACH MANY FOR THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST --- NOW!!! - WHILE IT IS STILL DAYLIGHT.

PRAY FOR THE LOST BOTH IN THE CHURCH AND OUT - THAT GOD WILL GO BEFORE US AND NOW BEGIN TO RELEASE THE HOLY SPIRITS CONVICTION AND SOFTEN HEARTS - THAT WE MIGHT REACH MANY - FOR CHRIST - PRAY FOR REVIVAL IN THE MIDST OF THE STORM.

GOD BLESS, LYNN[/b]


Amen - GOD BLESS LYNN.


And GOD BLESS you Brother/Pastor/Friend and all.

Phil 3:7-15

 2008/1/5 0:38
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 Re: Do You Know Him?

Do You Know Him?
January 31st, 1864
by
C. H. SPURGEON
(1834-1892)

"That I may know him."—Philippians 3:10.
The object of the apostle's life—that for which he sacrificed everything: country, kindred, honor, comfort, liberty, and life itself, was, that he might know Christ. Observe that this is not Paul's prayer as an unconverted man, that he may know Christ, and so be saved; for it follows upon the previous supplication that he might win Christ and be found in him. This is the desire of one who has been saved, who enjoys the full conviction that his sins are pardoned, and that he is in Christ. It is only the regenerated and saved man who can feel the desire, "That I may know him." Are you astonished that a saved man should have such a desire as this? A moment's reflection will remove your astonishment. Imagine for a moment that you are living in the age of the Roman emperors. You have been captured by Roman soldiers and dragged from your native country; you have been sold for a slave, stripped, whipped, branded, imprisoned, and treated with shameful cruelty. At last yon are appointed to die in the amphitheatre, to make holiday for a tyrant. The populace assemble with delight. There they are, tens of thousands of them, gazing down from the living sides of the capacious Colosseum. You stand alone, and naked, armed only with a single dagger—a poor defense against gigantic beasts. A ponderous door is drawn up by machinery, and forth there rushes the monarch of the forest—a huge lion; you must slay him or be torn to pieces. You are absolutely certain that the conflict is too stern for you, and that the sure result must and will be that those terrible teeth will grind your bones and drip with your blood. You tremble; your joints are loosed; you are paralyzed with fear, like the timid deer when the lion has dashed it to the ground. But what is this? O wonder of mercy!—a deliverer appears. A great unknown leaps from among the gazing multitude, and confronts the savage monster. He quails not at the roaring of the devourer, but dashes upon him with terrible fury, till, like a whipped cur, the lion slinks towards his den, dragging himself along in pain and fear. The hero lifts you up, smiles into your bloodless face, whispers comfort in your ear, and bids you be of good courage, for you are free. Do you not think that there would arise at once in your heart a desire to know your deliverer? As the guards conducted you into the open street, and you breathed the cool, fresh air, would not the first question be, "Who was my deliverer, that I may fall at his feet and bless him?" You are not, however, informed, but instead of it you are gently led away to a noble mansion house, where your many wounds are washed and healed with salve of rarest power. You are clothed in sumptuous apparel; you are made to sit down at a feast; you eat and are satisfied; you rest upon the softest down. The next morning you are attended by servants who guard you from evil and minister to your good. Day after day, week after week, your wants are supplied. You live like a courtier. There is nothing that you can ask which you do not receive. I am sure that your curiosity would grow more and more intense till it would ripen into an insatiable craving. You would scarcely neglect an opportunity of asking the servants, "Tell me, who does all this, who is my noble benefactor, for I must know him?" "Well, but" they would say, "is it not enough for you that you are delivered from the lion?" "Nay," say you, "it is for that very reason that I pant to know him." "Your wants are richly supplied—why are yon vexed by curiosity as to the hand which reaches you the boon? If your garment is worn out, there is another. Long before hunger oppresses you, the table is well loaded. What more do you want?" But your reply is, "It is because I have no wants, that, therefore, my soul longs and yearns even to hungering and to thirsting, that I may know my generous loving friend." Suppose that as you wake up one morning, you find lying up on your pillow a precious love-token from your unknown friend, a ring sparkling with jewels and engraved with a tender inscription, a bouquet of flowers bound about with a love-motto! Your curiosity now knows no bounds. But you are informed that this wondrous being has not only done for you what you have seen, but a thousand deeds of love which you did not see, which were higher and greater still as proofs of his affection. You are told that he was wounded, and imprisoned, and scourged for your sake, for he had a love to yon so great, that death itself could not overcome it: you are informed that he is every moment occupied in your interests, because he has sworn by himself that where he is there you shall be; his honors you shall share, and of his happiness you shall be the crown. Why, methinks you would say, "Tell me, men and women, any of you who know him, tell me who he is and what he is;" and if they said, "But it is enough for you to know that he loves you, and to have daily proofs of his goodness," you would say, "No, these love-tokens increase my thirst. If ye see him, tell him I am sick of love. The flagons which he sends me, and the love-tokens which he gives me, they stay me for awhile with the assurance of his affection but they only impel me onward with the more unconquerable desire that I may know him. I must know him; I cannot live without knowing him. His goodness makes me thirst, and pant, and faint, and even die, that I may know him."

Have I imagined emotions which would not be natural? I think not. The most cool and calculating would be warmed with desires like these. Methinks what I have now pictured before you will wake the echoes in your breasts, and you will say, "Ah, it is even so! It is because Christ loved me and gave himself for me that I want to know him; it is because he has shed his blood for me and has chosen me that I may be one with him for ever, that my soul desires a fuller acquaintance with him."

Now may God, the Holy Ghost, very graciously lead me onward that I may also quicken in you the desire to know HIM.

Continued:

 2008/1/8 16:58Profile
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 Re: Do You Know Him? Pt. 2

Do You Know Him?
January 31st, 1864
by
C. H. SPURGEON
(1834-1892)

"That I may know him."—Philippians 3:10.


Pt. 2

I. Beloved, let us PASS BY THAT CROWD OF OUTER-COURT WORSHIPPERS WHO ARE CONTENT TO LIVE WITHOUT KNOWING CHRIST.
I do not mean the ungodly and profane; we will not consider them just now—they arc altogether strangers and foreigners to him—I mean children of God: the visible saints. How many there are of these whom I must call outer-court worshippers, for they are strangers to this panting to know him. They can say with Paul, "That I may win him and be found in him"—that they do want; but this higher wish, "That I may know him," has not stirred their hearts. How many brethren we know, who are content to know Christ's historic life! They read the evangelists and they are charmed with the perfect beauty of the Savior's history. "Never man spake like this man," say they; and they confess that never man acted with such love as lie did. They know all the incidents of his life, from his manger to his cross; but they do not know HIM. They are as men who have read " Caesar's Commentaries," but who have never seen Caesar. They know the battles which Caesar fought; they can even recognize the mantle which Caesar wore "that day he overcame the Nervii;" but they do not know Caesar himself. The person of the Lord Jesus is us much hidden from their eyes us the golden pot of manna when concealed in the ark. They know the life of Christ, hut not Christ the Life; they admire his way among men, hut they see not himself as the way.

Others there are who know Christ's doctrine, and prize it too, but they know not Him. All which he taught is dear to them; orthodoxy—for this they would burn at Smithfield, or lay down their necks at Tower Hill. Many of them are well-instructed and divinely-illuminated in the doctrine of Christ, and the wonder is, that they should stop there; because, beloved, it does seem to me when I begin to know a man's teaching, that the next thing is the desire to know his person. Addison, in one of the " Spectators," tells us that the reason why so many books are printed with the portraits of the authors is just this, that as a man reads a book, lie feels a desire to know what sort of appearance the author had. This, indeed, is very natural. If you have ever been refreshed under a minister's printed sermons, if you have at any time received any benefit from his words, I know you have said, "I would like to see that man; I would like to hear the truth flow hot and fresh from his living lips; I would like to know just how he said that sentence, and how that passage sounded as it came from his earnest heart." My beloved, surely if you know the doctrine of Jesus, if you have so been with Christ as to sit at his feet and hear what he has to say, you must, I hope, have had some longings to know him—to know his person; and if you have, you will have had to pass by multitudes of followers of Jesus who rest satisfied with his words, but forget that he is himself "THE WORD."

Beloved, there are others—and against them I bring no complaint; they go as far as they can—who are delighted with Christ's example. Christ's character is in their esteem the mirror of all perfection. They desire to walk in his footsteps; they listen to his sermon upon the Mount; they are enchanted with it—as well they may be; they pray to he obedient in all things to Christ, as their Master and their Lord. They do well. Mark, I am finding no fault with any of these who prize the history, or who value the doctrine, or who admire the precept; but I want more. I do want, beloved, that you and I should "know HIM." I love his precepts, but I love HIM better. Sweet is the water from Bethlehem's well; and well worth the struggle of the armed men to win but a bucket from it; but the well itself is better, and deserves all Israel's valor to defend it. As the source is ever more valuable than the stream, so is Christ ever better than the best words of his lips, or the best deeds of his hand. I want to know him. I do care for his actions; my soul would sit down and admire those masterly works of holy art—his miracles of humiliation, of suffering, of patience, and of holy charity; but better far I love the hands which wrought these master-works, the lips which spoke these goodly words, and the heart which heaved with that matchless love which was the cause of all. Yes, beloved, we must get farther than Immanuel's achievements, however glorious; we must come to "know him."

Most believers rest perfectly at ease with knowing Christ's sacrifice. They see Jesus as the great High Priest, laying a great sacrifice upon the altar for their sins, and with their whole heart they accept his atonement. By faith they know that all their sin is taken away by precious blood. This is a most blessed and hallowed attainment, I will grant you; but it is not every Christian who perceives that Christ was not only the offerer of a sacrifice, but was himself the sacrifice, and, therefore, loves him as such. Priest, altar, victim, everything Christ was. He gathers up all in himself, and when I see that he loved me, and gave himself for me, it is not enough to know this fact: I want to know him, the glorious person who does and is all this. I want to know the man who thus gave himself for me. I want to behold the Lamb once slain for me. I want to rest upon the bosom which covers the heart which was pierced with the spear; I pray him to kiss me with the kisses of that mouth which cried, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" I love Calvary, the scene of woe, but I love Christ better, the great object of that agony; and even his cross and all his sufferings, dear though these must ever be to the Christian mind, only occupying a second place; the first seat is for himself, his person, his deity, and humanity.

Thus, you see, we have to leave a great many believers behind; nor have we enumerated all, for I believe that even some of those saints who have received grace to look for the coming of Christ, yet in their vision of his coming too much forget him. Is it not possible for nine to pant for the second advent as to lose sight of him who is to make that advent? So to long for a millennium, that I may forget him who is to reign King of kings? So to pant after that glory of Israel that I may forget him who is Israel's glory? Anywhere short of knowing him, I would not have you stop, beloved; and even when you know him, I would urge you still to be impelled with the same desire, and to press forward, crying with the apostle, "That I may know him."

Beloved, how many there are who have heard of Christ and read about Christ, and that is enough for them! But it is not enough for me, and it should not be enough for you. The apostle Paul did not say "I have heard of him, on whom I have believed," but " I know whom I have believed." To hear about Christ may damn you, it may be a savor of death unto death to you. You have heard of him with the ear; hut it is essential that you know him in order that you may be partakers of eternal life. My dear hearers, be not content unless you have this as your soul's present portion.

Others there be who have been persuaded by the judgment and encouragement of others, that they know something about the great Redeemer. They do not know him, but still they are persuaded by others that they have an interest in him. Let me warn you of second-hand spirituality, it is a rotten, soul-deceiving deception. Beware of all esteeming yourself according to the thoughts of others, or you will be ruined. Another man's opinion of me may have great influence over me, I have heard of a man in perfectly good health killed by the opinion of others. Several of his friends had foolishly agreed to play him a practical trick; whereupon one of them met him and said, "How ill you look this morning." He did not feel so; he was very much surprised at the remark. When he met the next, who said to him, "Oh! dear, how bad you look," lie began to think there might be something in it; and us he turned smart round the corner, a third person said to him, "What a sight you are! How altered from what you used to be!" He went home ill, he took to his bed and died. So goes the story, and I should not marvel if it really did occur. Now, if such might be the effect of persuasion and supposed belief in the sickness of a man, how much more readily may men be persuaded into the idea of spiritual health! A believer meets you, and by his treatment seems to say, " I welcome you as a dear brother"—and means it too. You are baptized, and you are received into Church-fellowship, and so everybody thinks that von must be a follower of Christ; and yet you may not know him. Oh, I do pray you, do not be satisfied with being persuaded into something like an assurance that you are in him, but do know him—know him for yourself.

There are many who I hope will be saved ere long; but I am in great doubt of them, because they can only say they half think they know Christ; they do not quite believe in him, but they do not disbelieve in him; they halt between two opinions. Ah, dear hearer, that is a very dangerous place to stand in. The border-land is the devil's hunting ground. Undecided souls are fair game for the great fowler. God give you once for all the true decision by which through grace you shall know him. Do not be satisfied with thinking you know him; hoping you know him, but know him. Oh, it is nothing to have heard about him, to have talked about him, to have eaten and have drank with him, to have preached him, or even to have wrought miracles in his name, to have been charmed by his eloquence, to have been stirred with the story of his love, to have been moved to imitate him—this shall nothing avail you, unless you win him and are found in him. Seek with the apostle, to give up everything of your own righteousness, and all other objects and aims in life, and say, "This I seek after, that I may know him." Thus much, then, on the first point. Leaving those behind who do not know him, let us make an advance.

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So many today talk about enduring to the end…suffering through the Great tribulation, and that will be the prize…you’ll be a sheep, and not a goat.

I believe Paul is saying something here that is so profound to the Church. Do WE know the Hope of OUR calling. Do we, His Church know we have a higher calling? A heavenly Calling?

I don’t believe this means one *achieves* salvation , as we know we are saved by Grace through faith. Salvation is not a process, but an act of God .

Paul, is not saying he has to attain his *salvation* by working to become perfect, for we have been perfected once and for all In Christ.

I’d often wondered about those, even Stephen who was stoned to death . How long was he a Christian? A week, a month…had he achieved his goal…did he reach his high calling?

Well, we do know he understood the fellowship of His sufferings, was made conformable to His death. How many Christians in other Countries are killed, and we don’t know how long they were saved…had they achieved ENOUGH?

I like verse 15.… as many as be perfect, be thus minded.

Paul quotes this directly after his words in Philippians 2.….keeping this mind in you that was also in Christ Jesus. who became obedient unto death, even death of a cross. He also ends Philippians 3, ( those who mind earthly things are enemies of the cross.

Philippians 3:13-15
13Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
******14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.***
15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.


In studying this more closely, I came upon this verses:

1 Corinthians 9:24
Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.


Only ONE will receive the Prize? I wondered, well, who can compete with that, especially Paul or any of those guys, one of them surely is the winner.

Then the Lord said…no, the “One” is the Church. It’s the church that has the High calling of God in Christ Jesus.

And when we know this, and know that the “Spirit of the Life of Christ” in us is the Spirit of the suffering Church here on earth. Wow, I’m not one of those sheep or goats at the end of Matthew 25...they are individuals, not a Body, with a High Calling as we. It’s the Church that is called to the fellowship of **His sufferings**, …a totally different calling of suffering, conforming us to His image. Preparing is to reign and rule. To he that overcomes ….. And yet, we ARE overcomers. He who is in you has overcome, and In Christ we too are overcome.

We are a Body, His Body. And WE have a High Calling , an upward calling.


Hebrews 12:1
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with [u][b]patience[/b][/u] the race that is set before us,

Run with ****[u][b]patience[/b][/u]****. Interesting words.

2My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;

3Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh [u][b]patience[/b][/u].

4But let [u][b]patience[/b][/u] have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh [u][b]patience[/b][/u];

Romans 5:4
And [u][b]patience[/b][/u], experience; and experience, hope:

Romans 8:25
But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with [u][b]patience[/b][/u] wait for it.

Romans 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through [u][b]patience[/b][/u] and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Romans 15:5
Now the God of [u][b]patience[/b][/u] and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:

2 Corinthians 6:4
But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much [u][b]patience[/b][/u], in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all [u][b]patience[/b][/u] and longsuffering with joyfulness;

1 Thessalonians 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and [u][b]patience[/b][/u] of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

2 Thessalonians 1:4
So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your [u][b]patience[/b][/u] and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

1 Timothy 6:11
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, [u][b]patience[/b][/u], meekness.

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and [u][b]patience[/b][/u] inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of [u][b]patience[/b][/u], that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Hebrews 12:1
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with [u][b]patience[/b][/u] the race that is set before us,

Look at all these verses that have the word patience. It means to ENDURE under suffering. We don’t have to endure to the end to see if we receive or lose our salvation, we endure the Fellowship of His sufferings NOW, being conformed to His Image because we already KNOW we have a Higher Calling from God in Christ Jesus.

We say… more of You, I want More of You! Look where patient endurance leads…….


James 1:3
Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh [u][b]patience[/b][/u].

James 1:4
But let [u][b]patience[/b][/u] have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

James 5:10
Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of [u][b]patience[/b][/u].

James 5:11
Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the [u][b]patience[/b][/u] of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

2 Peter 1:6
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance [u][b]patience[/b][/u]; and to [u][b]patience[/b][/u] godliness;

Revelation 1:9
I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and [u][b]patience[/b][/u] of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 2:2
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy [u][b]patience[/b][/u], and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Revelation 2:3
And hast borne, and hast [u][b]patience[/b][/u], and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

Revelation 2:19
I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy[u][b]patience[/b][/u], and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

Revelation 3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my [u][b]patience[/b][/u], I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.


Again:
So many today talk about enduring to the end…suffering through the Great tribulation, and that will be the prize…you’ll be a sheep, and not a goat.

But is this what Paul is teaching the Church today and from the beginning of the Church age....is this what Jesus is saying in Rev 3:10?

He who keeps the word of My [u][b]patience[/b][/u].....what a promise!


Love in Christ
Katy

 2008/1/8 20:32





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