Brother Phillip wrote:

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Jeff Marshalek

Here is another Scripture which speaks of the Holy One,

Prov. 30:2 Surely I am more stupid than any man,
And do not have the understanding of a man.
3 I neither learned wisdom
Nor have knowledge of the Holy One.
4 Who has ascended into heaven, or descended?
Who has gathered the wind in His fists?
Who has bound the waters in a garment?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is His name, and what is His Son’s name,
If you know?

In the last sentence...

"What is His name, and what is His Son's name...

Prov. 9:9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be still wiser;
Teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
10 “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,
And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
11 For by me your days will be multiplied,
And years of life will be added to you.



Psa. 78:40 How often they provoked Him in the wilderness,
And grieved Him in the desert!
41 Yes, again and again they tempted God,
And limited the Holy One of Israel.
42 They did not remember His power:
The day when He redeemed them from the enemy,

Remember what Paul taught to the Corinthians?

1 Corinthians 10:

1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

Do you see Christ in the OT leading those who are His?

In Christ
Jeff

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Jeff Marshalek

Why do you seek Christ in the Old Testament? Christ is the Word of God, He is the Whole of the Bible. If we do not see Christ in the Old Testament, we miss the whole plan of God, which is Christ in you the Hope of Glory, I am not concerned about Israel, She is in very capable Hands and He will not forsake His wife as we see in Hosea.

We are concerned with Christ and Who He is to His Body the Church. Which is now. Why be concerned with anything else but NOW, and the future If God Permits. The old man, the old testament, the old life is no more, behold all things have become new in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Phl 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ,

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.

2Cr 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

In Christ: Phillip

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Brother Phillip wrote:

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Jeff Marshalek

Of course Peter spoke from the old testament, that is all he knew. What He said about Christ was what he knew by living with Jesus for three years who was offering the Kingdom to Israel with Him as their King and Lord. They did not accept Him as such and the parable of the householder who planted a vineyard, which is God and the House of Israel. Matthew 21:37-39 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. This is what Peter was preaching to the men of Israel. There is nothing about the Cross and Christ being born again in the believer, the mystery which God gave to Paul 15 years later.

What Peter was preaching and what Paul would eventually preach is completely different. Peter was still preaching works, repent and be baptized. Paul, when the mystery was revealed to him was preaching only believe and you will be saved and salvation is Christ in you the Hope of Glory, fulfilling Christ's statement, "you must be born again or you cannot see the things or inter into the of the Kingdom of God." John 3:5-6 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Peter was preaching Flesh, Paul was preaching Spirit as John confirms in John 14,15,16,27.

You wrote:
"Peter refers to Jesus as the Prince, the Holy One, and the Servant. What is revealed in the OT concerning the Holy One, the Prince, and the Servant?"

Paul refers to Jesus as the, He was the Christ like Peter, That's pretty much where it ends for quite a while until Peter saw that Christ was the Incorruptable Seed that it takes to be born again which he never mentioned in any of his preaching in Acts.

Paul's ministry began with his earliest letters to the Thessalonians and in Romans he declares his intentions. Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [to be] saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. Grace and Peace. Then declaring his revelation from Jesus Christ Himself as, Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. My Gospel, declaring righteousness of God by the faith of Jesus Christ for those that believe. Also justification and redemption in Christ.

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

The atonement, Rom 5:11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Abundance of Grace defeating death, Rom 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Baptized into His death, freedom from sin, Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

No condemnation in Christ, Rom 8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Free from sin and death and our bodies even quickened to contain Christ in you, the Father in you, The Holy Spirit in you. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

That we may glorify God the Father, Rom 15:5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:

Rom 15:6 That ye may with one mind [and] one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Confirming Christs ministry to Israel which they refused. Also confirming Paul's ministry to the gentiles which they will hear. Rom 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises [made] unto the fathers:

Rom 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

Acts 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

Even the bruising of Satan by the feet of believers, Rom 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you. Amen.

Called by God to fellowship with Christ, 1Cr 1:9 God [is] faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

We have the wisdom of Christ, the righteousness and sanctified and redeemed in Christ. 1Cr 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

We need nothing but Christ the foundation stone, 1Cr 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

1Cr 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

God has Washed, sanctified, justified us by Christ in us, 1Cr 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

This is just Romans and a little of Corinthians,
I think Peter's preaching is lacking when it comes to Paul's direct revelation of Christ in us the Hope of Glory and all of what it entails for the Born Again. All Peter knew was Jesus of Nazareth the man, whom we are not to know Him as such anymore. 2Cr 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we [him] no more. Eph 3:16 That He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might by His Spirit in the inner man;

You wrote;
"They were both birthed by the woman and her Seed."

Abraham was not born again, and could not be, but will be. Hbr 8:10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

WE are not a people, son's of Israel. We are son's of God by Jesus Christ in us.


In Christ: Phillip

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Chrstinyou posted:
You wrote;
"They were both birthed by the woman and her Seed."

Abraham was not born again, and could not be, but will be. Hbr 8:10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

WE are not a people, son's of Israel. We are son's of God by Jesus Christ in us.


In Christ: Phillip

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Stever's response:

Praise the Lord. The Truth that is posted above can only be found when the Holy Spirit opens the eyes of the believer, as He/She studies God's Word!

God bless,

Stever

Brother Phillip wrote:

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Jeff Marshalek

"Were the people who listened to Peter, who were added to the Church daily healed? If so, by what means did God heal them? If they enter His church, is not Christ in them?"

HI Jeff, Yes they had Christ in them but they did not know it until it was revealed by Paul. Even Peter said, "2 Peter 3:15-16 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

The Old Testament is Christ, the New Testament is Christ. They have a different dispensation of time in there presentation of Jesus Christ. Yes, He is the same, yesterday, today, and tomorrow, but Melchizedeck and The Christ of the Cross are different in there application when it comes to salvation, One by Law and one by Grace through Faith and New Birth. Abraham and Melchizedeck did not have Life in them, they only had obedience rewards. The Melchizedeck (if you will) of the Cross is Life and Grace Through Faith unto new Creatures Born Again of The Father's Seed.

I know that dispensationalism is a bad word to a lot of People and the word means economy. Dispensation: 3622. oikonomia
Search for G3622 in KJVSL
oikonomia oikonomia oy-kon-om-ee'-ah

from 3623; administration (of a household or estate); specially, a (religious) "economy":--dispensation, stewardship.

The economy of Israel is not the economy of the Church. The economy of Russia is not the same as the U. S. People are dealt with different in Russia than they deal with people in the U.S.
The Same In the Old Testament. God is not dealing with the Church the same as He dealt with Israel. Same God, different economy, dispensation of time, if you will. Same God, dealing with the economy of the Church different from Israel. Salvation not by obedience to the Law, but salvation by believing in the Son of God. No more law to condemn but Grace to set free The body of Christ the Church. Love and the commandments of Christ are easy to accomplish in the economy of Christ in You the Hope of Glory. What did Christ say He would build His Church on, The Revelation the Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Not the chosen people of Israel who God Himself in the earthly temple dealt with them by Moses' economy.

I am not an ultra dispensationalist or a keeper of dispensationalism out of religion. I see the division of Gods Word and Him dealing with His Creation in different ways in different allotted periods of time. As this is the economy of Grace an allotted period of time for the Body of Christ His Church. Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

Eph 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Eph 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Israel: Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? They do have a fullness of Time and that is when Jesus Christ sits on Davids Throne.

In Christ: Phillip

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Brother Phillip wrote:

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Jeff Marshalek

Brother Phillip wrote:

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Jeff Marshalek