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Same Priest, only different in application. One earthly and by the Law, the other Heavenly, by Grace through Faith.

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Brother Phillip wrote:

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Same Priest, only different in application. One earthly and by the Law, the other Heavenly, by Grace through Faith.



I agree that it is the Same Priest...

When Abraham met Melchizedeck, the law given on Mount Sinai was still a mystery to be revealed 430 years later. So what covenant was the Same Priest administering?

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Not the New Covenant administering the New Creature in Christ Jesus.

2Cr 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

The new covenant in Christ Jesus takes away the old covenant of the Law that kills.

Hbr 8:13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

"Another Priest should rise" That is Christ Jesus. Hbr 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, [even] Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hbr 7:26 For such an high priest became us, [who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Because of the New covenant we have become a kingdom of priest by the only High Priest forever, Jesus Christ in us. Here is the difference. 1 Peter 2:1-10 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

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Brother Phillip,

You keep writing about the law...what covenant did Abraham have when he met with Melchizedek?

Paul teaches that Abraham was under the covenant of grace...


Rom. 4:16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

In the above Scripture, Paul seperates those under the law from "those who are of the faith of Abraham..."

Are we saved by grace through faith?

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Brother Phillip,

Through out Scripture we find this precept...

James 1:21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

How does this relate to the High Priest Melchizedeck?

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Why then are we not saved by the Name of Abraham? For that matter Moses, Elijah, Isaac or Jacob? But only by the Name of Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God.

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"How does this relate to the High Priest Melchizedeck?"

Only by reference and similitude of Jesus Christ.

Not the Living breathing, dying, resurrected and born again in the believer, Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God.

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Brother Phillip wrote:

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Only by reference and similitude of Jesus Christ.



So do you believe that Christ becomes greater than He was before He became man?

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We can play these games all you want to, but nobody will gain understanding of what we have become in Christ and who we are in Christ and what and who we can become in Christ.

""""So do you believe that Christ becomes greater than He was before He became man?""""

Only that He finished what He came for.

Jhn 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

That which was not finished is what? That which is finished is what?

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Brother Phillip,

This is no game...it is a struggle to allow Scripture to speak to us.

Dispensational Theology does not allow room for Christ in the OT. Dispensational Theology blinds one to the work of Christ in all who live by faith. The Father sent the Son. The OT saints were empowered to know the Son by the Holy Spirit. The mystery you constantly speak of was not a mystery to those who lived by faith.

Job knew Christ. Abraham knew Christ. Elijah knew Christ.

Mishack, Shadrack, and Abedenego knew Christ.

This mystery always existed. It had no beginning. And the further revelation of Christ is still to come. Paul's gospel is no different than the gospel that Christ taught the other apostles. The gospel is no different than what Elijah taught. The good news of salvation has always been founded on the work of Christ.

Prov. 9:10 “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,
And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.


The OT saints had the Scriptures, and we cannot limit the power of God to reveal Himself through His Son by those Scriptures. You yourself have said that the Word of God is Christ.

Is Christ limited by time?

In Christ
Jeff


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