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MrBillPro
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Go granny, go granny, go granny go Got a pretty little flower bed of white gardenias Go granny, go granny, go granny go. :-P


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Bill

 2005/8/24 14:12Profile









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I do not enjoy being judged or persecuted by all of you, but I do it for Christ.



You dont have any idea what persecution is. You are NOT being persecuted here. You are not being judged... your words are.

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I am not saying the bible is wrong and false.



uhmmm... yea you did. Remember? You said this:

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The bible was written by humans. They are faulty. It was not written word for word from God. If it was, the bible would not exist in any other language or any other version. When God wrote out the ten commandments with His own fingers, they were Holy and preserved in the ark. The bible is not preserve in an ark. It is not sealed. The bible is written in many languages with many versions. There is no authoritative bible. The four gospels are in agreement, however, they are not exact. They are from four different witnesses to Christ.



I thought you said you were going to simplify things for us... when will that be taking place? I dont want to miss it.

Krispy

 2005/8/24 14:13
MrBillPro
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beenblake you started this thread with this
The bible is not "the Word"

So the Bible is not the word? so what is it?

I just know the mods are ready to hit the lock button at any time on this thread, but please don't do it right after I post, it might make it look like my post was the last straw. :-P


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Bill

 2005/8/24 14:26Profile









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Well... I think I'm done here. After awhile it becomes an exercise in futility. We have to be careful where we cast our pearls. I've said all I know to say about this whole misguided concept. Nothin' more to add.

Shakin' the dust off... as [b]God's Word[/b] tells us to.

Krispy

 2005/8/24 15:51
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I was struck by this post...
KrispyKrittr wrote:

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I have no authority. I am nothing. I am not even worth the words I write. I also have nothing to prove to any of you. I am not going to give my resume because you will judge me. That is what you seek to do.



Do you not see that you are judging us? How do you know what we want or dont want to do?

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The Lord gave me this message to write. He told me to tell it to all of you. There is nothing in it that contradicts scripture. Although some of you will argue this.



There is plenty that you wrote that contradicts scripture.

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You do not understand because you choose not to understand.



You're judging us again... how do you know we choose not to understand? Maybe we understand all too well.

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God is not the author of confusion. He does not deliver mixed messages.



Then your message couldnt be from God because your posts are confusing, and the message is mixed.

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However, some of you read the bible as though you were the author. You read it and think you know exactly what God wrote and what He was trying to say.



You're judging again. Most of us here stick to judging teachings and doctrine... you're judging motives and the heart.

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I admit to you now that I do not know. I have much to learn myself, and if I have said anything wrong, then the Lord who is my Lord will correct me. He will judge me accordingly for He is my judge. He alone.



Perhaps it's time for you to be quiet and learn from those on this site who have been walking with the Lord for years and years, and have a lot of wisdom to share. You've just arrived here at SI and set yourself up as a messenger from God to straighten us all out. Instead... humble yourself and take advantage of the great teaching and wisdom this site has to offer. You seem to enjoy being the "lone prophet", the "voice of one crying in the wilderness"... and the great trap of that is: Pride. Be careful you dont fall into the trap.

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However, I do not take credit for any of this. The Lord has a message for some person or people on here. I do not know who. I only pray that person or those people will open thier heart and listen.



Perhaps... just maybe... the message is for you. For him who has ears to hear, let him hear.

KrispyAnd this conversation..
John 8

The Validity of Jesus' Testimony
12When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
13The Pharisees challenged him, "Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid."

14Jesus answered, "Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going. 15You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. 16But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. 17In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two men is valid. 18I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me."

19Then they asked him, "Where is your father?"

"You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also." 20He spoke these words while teaching in the temple area near the place where the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his time had not yet come.

21Once more Jesus said to them, "I am going away, and you will look for me, and you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come."

22This made the Jews ask, "Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, 'Where I go, you cannot come'?"

23But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be,[a] you will indeed die in your sins."

25"Who are you?" they asked.

"Just what I have been claiming all along," Jesus replied. 26"I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is reliable, and what I have heard from him I tell the world."

27They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father. 28So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. 29The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him." 30Even as he spoke, many put their faith in him.

The Children of Abraham
31To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
33They answered him, "We are Abraham's descendants[b] and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?"

34Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you do what you have heard from your father.[c]"

39"Abraham is our father," they answered.

"If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would[d] do the things Abraham did. 40As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41You are doing the things your own father does."
"We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is God himself."

The Children of the Devil
42Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? 47He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."
The Claims of Jesus About Himself
48The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?"
49"I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you dishonor me. 50I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. 51I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."

52At this the Jews exclaimed, "Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death. 53Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?"

54Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."

57"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"

58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

Seems like the Pharisees in Jesus' day quite upset with him claiming something that did'nt fit into their paradigm of biblical interpretation.


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Zeke Oosthuis

 2005/8/24 16:08Profile









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Point Zeke?

Krispy

 2005/8/24 16:15
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KrispyKrittr wrote:
Well... I think I'm done here. After awhile it becomes an exercise in futility. We have to be careful where we cast our pearls. I've said all I know to say about this whole misguided concept. Nothin' more to add.

Shakin' the dust off... as [b]God's Word[/b] tells us to.

Krispy

You must have been lured out of retirement.

If you see no point then, thats fine. Lets move on.


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Zeke Oosthuis

 2005/8/24 16:29Profile
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I read through almost all the pages on this and i think it is silly. wether or not the Bible is called the "Word of God" or that holy writ is refered to as the word of God what does it reall matter, the earth is the lord and the fullness thereof, God owns all--even language--hate to seem so simple here, but the word OF God, i.e. belonging to God--hence it makes even the "inspired thought" God's intellcetual property. Best to stay off of silly rabbit trails that cause offense and waste time. If it is not EDIFYING, then why is coming out of a child of God's mouth? oops! is child OF God descrptive of us or is it phrased some other way? (tounge firmly in cheek) God's Best to you!


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 2005/8/24 16:39Profile









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1Ti 1:3-4 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

In my estimation... this is about where we're at with this.

Krispy

 2005/8/24 16:44
MrBillPro
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Quick could someone please grab that stick out of the barrel this is getting stinky. :-P


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