What I find strange is,, that a number of people here are decrying the 'false tongues' which means that there must be quite few of you around, yet, where are the video's on youtube? Where are the apologists who are educating the people on what is the false and real tongues with demonstrations?

You don't seem very forward in bringing in the truth (in your eyes).

You know that folk will come up against these 'falsies' which will give them a negative idea yes? Yet you rail against the witnesses with hurt feelings.

Quote: The joy of the newly baptized would alone bring about that accusation.

Come on Brenda stop being so stubborn, what was being spoken I would say very loudly and the joy ("gibberish" your words, not mine) that caused them to think like that.

These people are not drunk, as you suppose.

It’s only nine in the morning!

No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

It was prophetic for sure:- Indeed, He will speak to this people Through stammering lips and a foreign tongue Isaiah 28:11

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Colin Murray

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Jerusalem at that time, under the Roman yoke, would be a place of sorrow and not joy, so a group of people laughing and hugging each other, without any words needed, would bring to mind a drunken party.

//It was prophetic for sure:- Indeed, He will speak to this people Through stammering lips and a foreign tongue Isaiah 28:11//

But you say that tongues is a blessing yet the verse you quote from Isaiah is for a curse.

I read this today though sorry no ref:

"Babbling in Babylon

Why is understanding the subject of tongues so essential for us today? I believe the modern charismatic movement was foretold in Bible prophecy. Revelation chapter 18 verses 2 and 4 state: "And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen. ... And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

We must remember that one of the principal characteristics of ancient Babylon at the tower of Babel was a confusion of tongues (Genesis 11:7-9). Revelation is telling us that in the last days, God's people are to be called out of Babylon and its confusing counterfeit religious systems. "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet." Revelation 16:13. The phrase "out of the mouth" represents speech, and please don't miss the fact that a frog's main weapon is its tongue. Unclean tongues? Perhaps God is trying to tell us something.
Remember that the confusion of tongues at Babel was not a blessing of the Spirit, but rather a curse for their rebellion. In fact, we get our modern word "babbling" from the story of ancient Babel. At Pentecost, the curse of Babel was reversed so others might understand the gospel."

If anyone has not experienced this absolute joy when baptized by the Holy Spirit, similar to that when they first found Christ, then perhaps they may need to get into scripture to check it out.

He will speak to this people Through stammering lips and a foreign tongue Isaiah 28:11

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people, and yet for all that they will not hear Me, saith the Lord. Paul concludes, “tongues are for a sign" to them that believe not.

A sign of what?

Clearly, tongues are God’s designated sign. A singular beauty of the New Testament is that God Himself, through the Spirit, speaks when He enters our hearts.

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Colin Murray

A sign of what?

A sign of judgment brother.

Isaiah 28:5 In that day shall the Lord of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,

6 And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.

7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.

9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

I said I DO believe in glossolalia. So some people are given the gift of another language that is not any known language; it is speaking mysteries in the Spirit.

I didn't mean to mock or deride anyone who has this gift. Praise God you do! When someone has this legitimately, I've seen it do much good for the church.

But I've also seen people pressured into speaking gibberish. Sometimes these people aren't even born again, but they're told they have a gift of the Spirit. This deeply concerns me.

As Paul says in the 14th chapter of Corinthians, do all speak in tongues? The answer is either no, or we are forced to the conclusion that everyone is also an apostle (or that everyone who speaks in tongues is an apostle).

I try to read church history. The gift of tongues was largely, but not completely, dormant for many centuries. There are reliable records of people using this gift, among the Methodists and Huguenots, for example, before Asuza. Despite this, there were people that undeniably had the Baptism of the Holy Spirit that did not speak in tongues.

I completely agree with Brenda when she says love is the evidence we are filled with the Spirit. Samuel Logan Brengle has probably the best books I have ever read on the subject.

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Nigel Holland

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//I try to read church history. The gift of tongues was largely, but not completely, dormant for many centuries. There are reliable records of people using this gift, among the Methodists and Huguenots, for example, before Asuza. Despite this, there were people that undeniably had the Baptism of the Holy Spirit that did not speak in tongues.//

Apparently, this professor says otherwise:

https://charlesasullivan.com/

Amen, brother Nigel

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Travis