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brothagary
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17For truly you are giving thanks well, but the other is not edified.

 2024/2/6 18:19Profile
brothagary
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Insight from the scripture says they were giving thanks well ,,,that aint just noise , but the love of the spirit himself praying and interceeding through the church

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brendaM
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Sorry wrong chapter:

1 Cor. 13:1 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

 2024/2/6 18:24Profile
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Can you give me an example from scripture about 'singing in the Spirit'?

Do not get drunk with wine, for that is wickedness (corruption, stupidity), but be filled with the [Holy] Spirit and constantly guided by Him.“

speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your hearts to the Lord;”

( Ephesians 5:18,19)

It is real Brenda! Spiritual songs, “singing and making melody with your hearts to the Lord.”

“ some early Pentecostal sources call "the heavenly choir," the "heavenly anthem," or the "angelic choir." The comparison of "singing in the Spirit" with the breath of God upon an Aeolian harp was used by Frank Bartleman in his book on Azusa Street (HOW PENTECOST CAME TO LOS ANGELES: AS IT WAS IN THE BEGINNING, 2d ed. [Los Angeles: By the Author, 1925], p. 58), where he wrote, "The spirit of song given from God in the beginning [of the Pentecostal movement] was like the Aeolian harp in its spontaneity and sweetness. In fact it was the very breath of God, playing on human heart strings, or human vocal cords. The notes were wonderful in sweetness, volume and duration. In fact they were ofttimes humanly impossible. It was 'singing in the Spirit.'"


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brothagary
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Brenda so were you saying paul is saying singing is the spirit at Corinth was all noise no love?

 2024/2/6 18:33Profile
brothagary
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Now love is the foremost fruit of the Spirit, I hope everyone agrees. Paul is saying that it is needed by them therefore they had not received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Interesting.

paul actually says thay were all baptized.

1 cor 12 13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body

 2024/2/6 18:38Profile
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Cessationists still believe in miracles, just not the sign gifts given to specific people; so they believe God still heals, for example, but they don't believe specific people have the gift of healing.

Misrepresenting people is not a good thing. I would almost say it's bearing false witness if you know what they really believe and keep saying they don't believe in miracles or the supernatural anymore.

Some of the finest christians out there are cessationists. I would rather listen to a cessationist who actually preaches the gospel than a false teacher who peddles snake oil and makes people seek after miracles and signs. Give me one Paul Washer rather than a thousand Bill Johnsons.

And before I get accusations thrown at me, yes, I am a continuationist.

As a side note, I find it rather sad that tongues is held up as the pinnacle of spirituality and the litmus test for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. On the day of Pentecost no one spoke in languages people didn't understand; they spoke in known languages. I believe "glossolalia" is a legitimate gift (though maybe more uncommon than people think?). But the majority of people I know who speak in "tongues" only did so because of peer pressure to look spiritual. They say it's the language of angels; if so, angels must have the most limited vocabulary in the universe. Shouldaboughtahonda!


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"What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."

1 Cor. 14:15

I also think what sister Lysa brought up (Upper cases of her quotations do magnify several relevant areas about tongues) which can indeed answer to what I understood to be your implication of 'gibberish', dear sister.

And again another bare lie or what?
Just previous to this, on the Nothingness thread, you said you would not join in the service of praying with tongue speakers which you inffered must be Satan's language - and you just come in now and say: I also do not have a problem praying...? Why not say: I no longer have a problem... to indicate a/the change of mind.

Ah, it is this seemingly pride (amongst others) to admit when you had been wrong that makes me doubt the spirit you are about now.


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brendaM
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Thanks Mike, yes I see it. It is also including everything we are supposed to do as Christians in opposed to doing something in the flesh for example: Walk in the Spirit, Be led by the Spirit. So we are to Sing in the Spirit, meaning, to do this in the power of the Holy Spirit.

I think Welsh believers do this the best! Have you ever heard them singing Charles Wesley's hymns?

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