| Poster | Thread | E-Beth
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| | Re: | | Could we please consider Peter ?
After Jesus was raised from the dead.
(The Bible says, Jesus breath on His disciples, and they received the Holy Ghost)
We know that Peter, did not have the power,.. the boldness in him that was needed to NOT deny Jesus, before His death. And many other things, he came up lacking in.
When The Spirit of God revealed that Jesus was The Christ,… (Spiritually minded),.. then in the next verse or so,Jesus was telling him that He must go away. Peter’s fleshly mindedness, liked being w/Jesus , he answered him fleshly.
Then Jesus called him Satan…. So what does that tell us?
Then when Jesus came back from the dead , instead of straight way following Jesus, he was back doing ‘his own thing’,… “I go fishing “,.. and many followed him.
The emphasis was to be fishers of men… and then Jesus told them how they must do that. ..
Although,Jesus had already sent them,..the disciples, out preach and to heal while Jesus walked with them in His time of training them.
Then after Jesus rose from the dead, :,…this is what happened:
John 20:22(KJV)
“And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:…
Then after Jesus arose , left them, and told them to wait for The Spirit o the Day of Pentecost…
Luke 24:49 (KJV) And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be *endued with power from on high.
But , what happened after Pentecost,.. after receiving the gift of The Holy Spirit?
He then became bold .
He suffered for Christ, .. and how did he die, for the name of Christ?
John 1:12 (KJV)
“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:“
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|  2024/2/7 12:52 | Profile | brendaM
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| | Re: | | elizabeth welcome
Good one. Yes becoming the sons of God ie born again at Pentecost. Power to receive and become at the breathing on. |
| | 2024/2/7 12:57 | Profile | E-Beth
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| | Re: | | Thank you Brenda,.. I’ve been reading and appreciate your comments.
Yes, I believe that baptism does now save us.
But , I do not believe it is the water.
It is the meaning of that baptism,.. which is a *death to self, and a Life to God.
… it is the *cup of death.
When this Mother ask Jesus to let her sons sit one on the right and one on the left of Jesus,…
Matthew 20:23 (KJV)
“And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but [it shall be given to them] for whom it is prepared of my Father.”
… if it be your will,Father, let this cup pass,… nevertheless not my will but Thy will.
We know that Jesus drank the cup of death.
Every time we drink this cup, we deny ourselves,… we die to self.
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| | 2024/2/7 13:19 | Profile | brendaM
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| | | 2024/2/7 13:39 | Profile | E-Beth
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| | Re: | | Sorry, a double response |
| | 2024/2/7 13:40 | Profile | brendaM
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| | Re: | | I don't mind you calling me friend twice :) |
| | 2024/2/7 13:50 | Profile | twayneb
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Speaking in tongues is not enough.If we turn men from unchristian religions to christianity we must produce miracles which convince men that Christ lives and He is real today.
T.L. Osborn
I completely disagree with Mr. Osborn here. There is absolutely no Biblical precedent for a requirement (must) that the body of Christ produce miracles to convince men. God draws by His own conviction power. It is a work of the Holy Spirit. Biblically it is the word of God, under the power of the Holy Spirit, that convicts and convinces. In the end time, false teachers will convince people to follow them with lying signs and wonders.
Does God still work miracles. Absolutely yes! Is it necessary for evangelism. Not Biblically! Can God use it in evalgelism? Sure! But I don't think that is the norm. What it produces is people reacting to His power rather than truth. Almost like people who followed Jesus for the loaves and fishes.
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| | 2024/2/7 16:08 | Profile | twayneb
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We should all read 1 Corinthians Chapters 12, 13, 14 and also read John 15.
If we believe all of God’s Word we will embrace both the fruit and the gifts of the Spirit. All of the gifts of the Spirit are for the building up of the Body of Christ, but it is sad to say that many Charismatics have not exercised the gifts in the proper way. That is why the love chapter 1 Corinthians 13 was placed in between chapter 12 and 14. The gifts of the Spirit especially the gifts of tongues was being abused in the church at Corinth, and it is still being abused to this day, especially by Pentacostal denominations that teach that the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues is necessary for salvation.
On the other hand the cessationists and those that deny the reality of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues are rejecting the very power of God that has been give to the Church for ministry to the Body of Christ. There have been ministers of the gospel that have been faithful for years preaching the gospel that have seen little fruit in their ministries, but after receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, the Word was preached not with enticing words of man’s wisdom but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, and in many instances they saw a dramatic increase in souls saved, and much more fruit in their ministries to the glory of God.
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Good idea Mike but I suggest that we start in the Old Testament, and I will give verses when I have them.
Cessationists by the way do not deny the baptism of the Spirit. They say that it happens at conversion/ first coming to Christ. And they have good scriptures for it and is what I believed myself till I began to read holiness teachers speaking of a second blessing.
It would be good to know what others think about the 'second blessing', baptism of the Spirit.
I must admit that 1 Cor 14 is a tough one, and I have not really gone in depth with it as it seemed too difficult but now I will face it, scripturally.
I do not deny that the fastest growing church is the Pentecostal one with it's 'pop' music and tongues. Brethren we must be very careful in these last days as we have been warned about the great deception. So I would also like to ask what others think this deception is, especially as the conservative churches are withering away in the UK.
I think the love chapter 13 is crucial to understand the baptism
So here is a question for consideration. Is it possible to be baptized in the Holy Spirit without any kind of ecstatic experience and without speaking in tongues?
My own Baptism in the Spirit was accompanied by speaking in tongues. In fact, another young person and I were singing the same song in tongues, at the same time, with the same melody, as we praised God. It is something I had never heard of before and never have seen since. But the Baptism in the Spirit played out in my life has not centered upon tongues. It has centered on the power of the Spirit in my to allow me to have victory over sin, be transformed to be more like Jesus, and bear the fruit of the Spirit.
I have seen men and women who never have spoken in tongues who have just as powerful a ministry, just as much of the fruit of the Spirit, and just as much victory over sin as I have.
The only Biblical prerequisite for being baptized in the Holy Spirit is to be born again, and Jesus promised to give the Holy Spirit to anyone who would ask Him. So, if a person is born again and asks God to baptize him or her in the Holy Spirit, can we trust that God is true and it has happened?
Worth considering. Is tongues "THE" sign or evidence, and is it necessary?
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| | 2024/2/7 16:16 | Profile | E-Beth
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(Response to Brenda)
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