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"Nahash was an Ammonite king (1 Samuel 11:1). Speculation suggests that David’s mother had been married to Nahash when she bore the half-sisters and then later became the second wife of Jesse. Further speculation implies that David’s mother was not yet married to Jesse when she became pregnant—that perhaps she was still married to Nahash when she conceived David."
https://www.gotquestions.org/David-mother.html
The ECF's believed it to be true that she was not married to Davids' father at conception.
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| 2024/2/17 5:39 | Profile | yuehan Member

Joined: 2011/6/15 Posts: 562
| Re: | | Hey Twayneb,
The issue of whether a Christian has one righteous nature or two natures (an old sinful nature, and a new righteous nature) has tremendous implications for how we view ourselves and our experience of sanctification doctrine.
If one were to carefully scrutinize the usage of the word "nature" in the New Testament (2 Peter 1:4, Ephesians 2:3), the Scriptures seem to affirm that we are either by nature "children of wrath" or "partakers of the divine nature". Either way, there are no verses which directly substantiate the view that a Christian has two natures, much less having a "sinful nature". Our old man has already been crucified and buried with Christ.
Of course, we still have to contend with sin in the flesh, but neither sin nor flesh define who we truly are. We do not deny the existence of these things, but they are totally detached from our true identity – which is why it's possible for the Christian to no longer live under the dominion of sin (Romans 6:14).
We are new creations, with one righteous nature – and a large part of our sanctification revolves around appropriating our true identity in Christ. On this point, I believe the modern grace preachers (Joseph Prince, Andrew Farley) are much clearer than some of the old Keswick participants.
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| 2024/2/17 9:03 | Profile | yuehan Member

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| | 2024/2/17 9:09 | Profile | AbideinHim Member

Joined: 2006/11/26 Posts: 5185 Louisiana
| Re: | | “But this is not automatic. We still fight against the flesh. We must learn to walk after the Spirit instead of walking after the flesh. And it takes a daily walk with God to do this. Paul deals with this infirmity of the flesh in verse 19 of Romans 6. He says that since we are no longer slaves to sin (the noun), we need to stop yielding our flesh to sinful things, but instead yield to righteousness and live holy lives.”
Amen Travis:
“But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the desire of the flesh is against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, in order to keep you from doing whatever you want.” (Galatians 5:-16,17)
Also , I believe that Romans 7 was written to Christians. Before I was saved I could sin without any since of guilt or shame. After I was born again, I was convicted of my sin, yet there were still besetting sins that I would fall back into, but I hated my sin, and the day of my deliverance did come. Praise God! An unregenerate sinner cannot say: “For I joyfully delight in the law of God in my inner self [with my new nature],” (Romans 7:22) Amplified
_________________ Mike
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| 2024/2/17 9:27 | Profile | brendaM Member

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| Re: | | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwzYi0wz-6g
I don't think it is as simple as that yuehan, and besides this method of 'mind over matter' or that we can change reality by our thoughts is new-ageism. This idea got me nearly losing my faith ie just remember who you are in Christ.
If we are are really walking in the Spirit, then it is as easy as pie. "His yoke is easy and His burden is light" is the truth. |
| 2024/2/17 9:58 | Profile | murrcolr Member

Joined: 2007/4/25 Posts: 1839 Scotland, UK
| Re: | | Hi yuehan
Quote: The issue of whether a Christian has one righteous nature or two natures (an old sinful nature, and a new righteous nature.
We must consider how we are made.
1 Thess 5:23 means "all of us." When Paul prays, "may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless," he means, "your whole being."
Spirt and Soul and Body.
In Heb 4:12 the author is highlighting the unmatched power of the Word of God. It is so uniquely powerful that it can even pierce "the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow," and discern "the thoughts and intentions of the heart."
Spirit and Soul and Body.
When you got born again, your Spirit was made new. Quote: Of course, we still have to contend with sin in the flesh, but neither sin nor flesh define who we truly are. That is a correct statement, but what is the Flesh? Let's look at the works of the flesh; Paul speaks about the works of the flesh.
Gal 5:19–21 speaks of the works of the flesh, saying they are "evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these."
Where do these works of the flesh come from? Jesus gives us the answer.
Matt 15:18-20 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person.
As has been well said, the heart of the human problem is the problem of the human heart. Not the blood pumping vessel that is the concern of your cardiologist, but the seat of your personality that is the concern of the Gospel.
Jesus teaches us that there is something far more fundamental to our sinfulness than the actual sins we commit. Our sins do not make us sinful. Rather, we commit sins because, at the very center of our lives, we are sinful. Sin has invaded the inner recesses of our personalities.
What is the heart?
"Heart" (Hebrew lebab/leb [b'bel], Gk. kardia [kardiva]) occurs over one thousand times in the Bible, making it the most common anthropological term in the Scripture. It denotes a person's center for both physical and emotional-intellectual-moral activities;
Heart – your mind, your will, and emotions.
I appeal to you, therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
Paul is speaking to Christians in Rome (Brothers) he says be transformed by the renewal of your mind. (Heart)
Paul is speaking to Ephesians Christians
Ephesians 4:22-24 to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.
Let me ask put off the old self; be renewed in the spirit of your minds (heart) and put on the new self.
In your mind, your will and emotions, (Heart) Christ must be put on.
That is why Paul says I am crucified with Christ, because his mind, will and emotions were renewed.
_________________ Colin Murray
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| 2024/2/17 12:42 | Profile | brendaM Member

Joined: 2024/1/19 Posts: 304 North Eastern UK
| Re: | | Well I've had the chance to re-read War on the Saints as it has been a long time, 35 years or so, and this time through a different lens.
That web site on JPL was laughable with its inacuracies. It made her sound like a silly uneducated manipulative, greedy woman and nothing is further from the truth as l found in reading her again.
It is a wonderful tool for those have travelled the holiness path and she gave me some insight on an area where l may have allowed passitivity in.
She was not, as l feared, affected like Roberts by the signs and wonders craze, and remained a Wesleyan Holiness preacher. She was very discrete when she briefly mentioned tongues, and l am sure she believed in foreign languages.
The book was obviously written by her, with Roberts being a model for her warnings. He himself confessed he had been under the influence of demons.
The site though is excellent in giving information about the happenings in the very short revival. Apparently, the aftermath has been noted by quite a few as a disaster. .
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| 2024/2/18 16:28 | Profile | murrcolr Member

Joined: 2007/4/25 Posts: 1839 Scotland, UK
| Re: | | Jessie Penn-Lewis, I have been reading some things about Jesse that concern me - one of these things is Spirit writing, which she says to have written under while in this trance like state.
I see this mentioned in some of the so-called Charismatic teachers. Madame Guyon claimed to be able to do the same thing.
I also see that she was buried in a graveyard, "the Friends" (Quaker) Burial Field at Reigate; this would tell me she wasn't a faithful Wesleyan Holiness preacher but a Quaker.
Hopefully, when everyone gets over me on the other thread, we can start to get into some of this.
_________________ Colin Murray
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| 2024/2/19 4:19 | Profile | brendaM Member

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| Re: | | Colin
Have you read WOTS? Then you would get to know her from source. I don't see anything in her book about trance writing.
Her theology was basically Wesleyan/Keswick with many insights of George Fox. At the start Quakers were orthodox (small o) but gradually mostly became liberal.
Have you actually read Barclay's Apology, which shows what the early Quakers believed, as he was one of them, or even George Fox?
I don't see anything wrong with wanting to buried in a grave yard if her relatives being Quaker were buried there. There are evangelical and 'born again' Quakers to this day.
You should always read from source.
"The counterfeit of the presence of God, is mainly felt upon the body and by the physical senses, in conscious 'fire' 'thrills' etc. The counterfeit of the 'Presence' in the atmosphere is felt in the body as 'breath' 'wind' etc whilst the mind is passive or inactive.
The person affected by this counterfeit 'presence' will be moved automatically to action he would not perform of his own will and with all of his faculties in operation. He may not even remember what he has done under the 'power' of this 'presence' just as a sleep walker knows nothing of his actions when in that state.
The inaction of the mind can often be seen by the vacant look in the eyes' (WOTS p307 Jessie Penn-Lewis) |
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