Brother Gary,

You can’t post support of and affirm some minister’s work as a move of God and then when someone questions the work or urges caution towards that work you raise the specter that critics and people of caution are rebukers and have no authority to question another’s work. I continue to be confused by the obvious irony and contradiction. Under your standard, what authority do you have to affirm a work as valid or of the Lord and speak to it. Don’t get me wrong, it’s perfectly fine for you to post and comment positive viewpoints about some event or ministry that you hold and want to share. But what you definitely can’t do is claim you have authority to affirm a ministry but others who question that ministry are operating outside their sphere of influence. Can you not see the contradiction you are espousing ?

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Robert

Brothers scripture calls us to encourage one another build one another up bare one another's burdens restore one another when we're in sin. Posting a video or a sermon to encourage other people is one thing and that's not a bad thing though people's opinions will differ on that what is it encouraging and what's not. People are free to say that they disagree but when we start moving into slander accusation and judgment. As if we know the heart of ministers for instance like Mike signorelli. When we Start labelling people as false prophets and causing division and argument we really don't have that authority.

Robert brother I think if we look on a Gregs ministry here and then read the statement about how we treat one another in the forums , and I know He's extremely patient with us , We have to be honest that arguing and labeling people as heretics and false prophets isn't part of what we are free to do in this forum this is obviously a forum that has a ministry that promotes a wide variety of speakers from all different backgrounds and denominations.

I'm Hoping and trying to honor Greg and not cause arguments.



There used to be some moderators here but I'm not sure who they are anymore.

But they would have the power to rebuke something that they think is gone beyond the bounds of good behaviour and whether words are seasoned with enough Grace.

Tell me what is wrong with trying to follow the forums rules.

I want to try and do that so that we don't have arguments and let any root of bitterness creep in.

I put myself in the same boat as all of us when I prayer in my morning time begging for more Mercy and Grace for all of us I don't see us as any different I include us all as one so that I don't hold any harsh feelings towards those that I disagree with.

Brother if you or others want to be the doctrinal watch keeper or the doctrinal standard in this forum why don't you talk to Greg and see if he could make you a moderator.

I wouldn't be putting my hand up for that personally. Love you bro 🙏☺️✝️

I totally agree with you Gary on how we treat others. My point is that affirming a prophet is the exact same thing as challenging one. Encouragement and building up isn’t restricted to positive statements. Paul with the Corinthians is the perfect example. In his quest to build up, he had to instruct, , correct and rebuke with all diligence. The purpose ultimately was to build up rightly, strengthen by eliminating weakness and protect what was being built by warning of destructive behaviors, attitudes and bad actors. The prophetic inclined community that I have been associated with generally sees encouragement as only positive affirmation and that rebukes or strong exhortations are not “encouragement”. Encouragement actually is to give courage to do the right thing or avoid the sinful. So every call to do right or stop doing wrong is for sure an encouragement. We are called to encourage one another daily to avoid sin, endure, not shrink back, love one another, identify and avoid false teachers, to judge those within the body engaged in unrepentant sin, etc.

You avoided my question though. If sphere of influence is the standard for all commentary on a man and his ministry, what is the authority to affirm and thereby recommend and lead others to follow a man’s ministry ?

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As an aside Brother Gary, slander” is to make an intentionally knowingly false statement about another with malicious intent. One must be careful with that word. To say someone is slandering is to say 2 things that you must have direct knowledge of. Those are:

1. The statement made is knowingly false.
2. The speaker has malicious intent to harm the person spoken of.

That makes the sin of slander one of hate and knowing deceit. A bold accusation for one to make of another. Quite the rebuke I’d say.

Again, the irony of it all.

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Robert

I think we have detracted pretty far from the original discussion, and i think when we begin to sentimentalize things and focus on men rather than truth, that is when these things go off the rails.

If we would simply stick to discussing the truth of the matter and leave off the emotion, sympathy, and flesh, I think these discussions would be much different.

If you look through the threads on the forum, they always go wrong when someone enters the discussion seeking to play on emotion, or is scared to discern and divide truth because of men and their feelings or ministries.

If Jesus, who is the truth, was the primary focus, and not man and flesh, we would have no issues in discussing these things.

The topic was self proclaimed prophets (people claiming to speak the very words of God), and nowhere was anyone judging hearts, only what was clear in a video, what we saw and heard with our eyes and ears, and what is clearly visible everywhere online in videos, podcasts and sermons. Fruit is knowable, and by their fruits you will know them.

The irony of your belittling of people who utilize online mediums of communication is that most of these men that we are discussing began on YouTube or other social media platforms, and now because they started in the way you are condemning, have multinational reach and have been brought into charismatic folds.

Jesus clearly taught us how to approach these things and gave us an example of how to deal with them (grace is not overlooking and letting things go on unchecked, it's redemptive, it changes things).

Again, this preoccupation with authority and denominations is a bit unsettling, and I can't understand why that argument is always the go to play... It's not about authority, it's about understanding and seeking truth in very volatile and important times.

My advice is simply this: look unto Jesus, the author and perfector of your faith. Obey Him explicitly, trust in Him completely, and filter everything through His life and teaching (His life in scripture, as well as His life in you, if you are in Him, and He in you).


Amen Brother Robert, by the way. Your last post was spot on.

Robert brother I'm going to make this my last comment in this thread.

Let me just say that this thread was never created to be a thread where we could gossip about who's a false teacher or who's the false prophet.

The topic was just sharing what's happening in Times square I've been sharing things like this since Asbury had the outpouring there.

You'll notice that I've never told anyone that they should follow anyone in these videos I've never recommended them I posted them in there for brother Greg and brother Mike and anyone else that might be interested and encouraged by what's going on there.

What happens in threads like this is they get hijacked by people who begine to gossip or throw opinions around about things and people that they've never met personally , or even know what they fully believe and teach holistically.

I used the word slander because in the dictionary if you say things publicly about someone and it turns out to be not true that is the definition of slander in all the dictionaries that I've read and so gossip and slander are close relatives.

I'm not going to Post a big line of scriptures that tell the children of Israel not to gossip and the church not to slander or gossip and speak against their brothers, but James talks about it Paul talks about it Peter talks about it throughout the Old testament that when we speak against our brother even secretly behind their back it's still considered gossip let alone in a public forum or places where possibly thousands of people see.

Brothers if you feel so strongly about false revivals false prophets false teachings false denominations false brethren why don't you start a new thread where you can all spend as much time as you want talking about that, this was never a thread intended for that purpose.

I don't like to get involved in that type of conversation because every camp or denomination accuses one another of being the false prophet or the false teacher or having false doctrine and we can spend the rest of our lives telling each other whose false and who's not, the fundamentalist Baptist will say unless you're a fundamentalist Baptist you're a liberal , holiness Pentecostals will say unless you are part of our oneness denomination you're a liberal, charismatics will say if you're a hyper charismatic you're a liberal,it just keeps going on, many calvinists will say unless you're a 5-point calvinist you're a Pelagian.

This type of ridiculous talk just goes on and on and causes division because depending on your denomination you're always right and the other people are always wrong I'm not saying everyone's like that but that's how these debates go on this Pentecostal says all the other Pentecostals are wrong. Those the don't believe in the fivefold ministry and the apostles and prophets say you're wrong if you believe in apostles and prophets.

Just goes on and on and in the end it just amounts to gossip and slandering the body of Christ whether we know that we're doing wrong or not.

I'm going to sign out brothers and sisters may God bless all of us with Unity and patience 🙏✝️

Hi,


Has anyone seen the Domino revival movie trailer thumbnail on their channel?
They have a lightening symbol on the i and it is quite disturbing because it is pagan symbolism and rockstars use this as their logos.
That alone would keep me away from this Domino revival.

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Yulboum Robert

You guys can decide if this is prophetic preaching. Preached this Sunday. Start at the 55 minute 30 second mark.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XL8HqBHD2s

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Robert

Hi brother Robert,
Thank you for sharing this timely message.
This is a warning that we all need to hear.
I really need to be sober and pray.

God bless you

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Yulboum Robert

Hi

Quote: Has anyone seen the Domino revival movie trailer.

I have watched the trailer - I just went onto the web site of Mike Sigorni which promotes this movie, as I was speaning time on the site - dontation notification kept coming up saying that so and so had given money.

As I was looking through the site the scripture that came to mind was this.

In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. 2 Peter 2:3

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Colin Murray