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| Re: something isn’t right … | | This is quite the convoluted situation and we would do well to seek the Lord before making emotionally charged declarations or showing support for such. These calls by prominent political figures and media personalities to effectively genocide 2,000,000 people are not going to help bring clarity to the situation, no matter how loud they scream it or how many joins in chorus. Likewise the dehumanization taking place through egregious characterizations all throughout media are only going to serve to further justify the unjustifiable.
None of this is by accident nor happenstance- We can’t have it both ways, where the current administration, with its cabinet made up of mostly (70% or so) Israeli citizens, along with BN, approved the giving of monies and weapons to PA just a month ago. That’s not to mention billions to Iran and $85,000,000,000 in military hardware to the Taliban. This is a manufactured crisis and it has an obvious end in mind…
These same people have filled France, Germany, Italy, Ireland, England, USA, etc… with millions of mostly military age men. This is not by accident but by design- With WEF’s repeated warnings of a crippling cyberattack that takes out infrastructure, (much like how they warned of a “global pandemic” in the year before Covid) it would be assumed that “IF” something like that happened, the millions of “immigrants” would be activated to engage the legal inhabitants/citizens and by the time the lights are back on,…. Well you get the picture. And for whatever reason[s] these same people fear Donald Trump like something out of a comic book and have repeatedly demonstrated that they will lie, cheat, steal, and kill to achieve their ends, without care nor concern for who gets injured along the way. In their view, the end’s clearly justify the means (whatever they may be) 🤔
_________________ Fletcher
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| 2023/10/9 14:44 | Profile | AbideinHim Member
Joined: 2006/11/26 Posts: 5185 Louisiana
| Re: | | It is not a coincidence that the Lord led intercessors all over the world to participate in 21 days of praying and fasting for Israel. The Lord saw what was coming, and we know that the fervent prayers of the righteous avails much. I Appreciate this ministry participating in the Isaiah 62 Fast.
"As a ministry SermonIndex.net is joining with the Isaiah 62 Fast where many churches and ministries (millions of believerS) are joining together for prayer for Israel for 21 days. I believe this is a significant time to enter into this prayer time with godly humility and the fear of the Lord to pray into His purpose for Israel and the world." - Greg Gordon, Founder of SermonIndex.net _________________ Mike
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| 2023/10/9 17:57 | Profile | ESchaible Member
Joined: 2023/6/24 Posts: 548
| Re: | | AbideInHim,
What exactly were people fasting and praying to accomplish? I saw these calls to public fasting and prayer (the correctness and theology of the public fast aside). I never saw what it was for. The point of prayer is the answer, so what exactly was the request?
Because if it is for the fulfillment of Isaiah 62 before the final judgment of Israel, Jacobs trouble/great tribulation, there is absolutely no point to that praying and fasting, it is prophecy. I know I will be called a heretic for saying any praying is a waste of time, but praying for any restoration of the physical kingdom of Israel, or the salvation of the Jewish nation before the appointed time, is in fact a waste of effort. Pray rather that the church is brought to a place to speak the words of, and live in the power of resurrection towards the Jewish people so that when they are brought to a death that can result in resurrection glory, the prophetic fulfillment can come forth in dry bones regaining life.
Has it occured to you that God's purpose for Israel in the last days is judgment and death that leads to resurrection and final salvation, and that praying to see some touchy feely outcome for a secular state and temporary border of land is in fact against the purposes of God?
Maybe I'm completely missing something in scripture, but these facts are almost as clear as the gospel from Genesis to the Revelation...
I guess my concern is if the Lord led them, than why exactly did they need massive social media and online promotional campaigns to make sure everyone knew, and where is the answer? Unless of course war was the request... or if it was a vague prayer for His purposes to be fulfilled, was this what you expected as the answer? Sometimes uninformed and zealous prayer will, in God's mercy yield answer, but ironically those that pray are not at all expecting the answers they receive, because their God, or their view of God doesn't allow for it.
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| 2023/10/9 19:50 | Profile | docs Member
Joined: 2006/9/16 Posts: 2753
| Re: | | /On a side note, wouldn't be just like God to usher in the revival everyone has been asking for via the time of Jacobs trouble? Revival via persecution rather than soulish charismatic tropes. Revival through sifting and trial seems to be the only way a true revival could happen in the world we live in today anyhow./
My opinion is not the one that the world revolve around, but I think this is likely more true than wrong. The current almost omnipresent cries for revival almost never if at all mention a final time of trouble. It's almost as if revival comes, it will somehow enable the church to navigate around what is coming. In their exhortations to seek revival, a final world engulfing time of trouble of great tribulation at the end of the age is not on a lot of radars. Meanwhile, many Christians don't even know what the time of Jacob's trouble is. Many who may know relegate it to a time of the past and already having occurred. Many also say the Jewish people have been replaced in God's overall plan of redemption and the nation of Isarel and its inhabitants have no prophetic relevance even though the writings of the Jewish prophets reveal the Jewish people and nation and the controversy of the land will play a significantly central role in the end days It's good that Daniel the prophet proclaimed that in the end many will turn again to the writings of the prophets as they seek to understand the perilous time they will find themselves in. Great trial and great sifting are ahead. I believe this.
Thank you for your input. _________________ David Winter
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| 2023/10/10 4:47 | Profile | TMK Member
Joined: 2012/2/8 Posts: 6650 NC, USA
| Re: | | //Because if it is for the fulfillment of Isaiah 62 before the final judgment of Israel, Jacobs trouble/great tribulation, there is absolutely no point to that praying and fasting, it is prophecy.//
Quite frankly it’s your interpretation of a prophecy, so it’s always a good idea to pray. Always.
No one can be 100% certain that their interpretation of an OT prophecy (or even NT for that matter) is correct.
So should we pray? You bet. _________________ Todd
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| 2023/10/10 8:19 | Profile | AbideinHim Member
Joined: 2006/11/26 Posts: 5185 Louisiana
| Re: | | Brother, why are you critical about fasting and praying for Israel when you do not understand the purpose of the Isaiah 62 fast?
Night and day prayer for the nation of Israel is God’s idea as it is declared in scripture.
“On your walls, O Jerusalem, I have appointed [set, KJV] watchmen; all day and all night they will never keep silent. You [intercessors] who remind the LORD, take no rest for yourselves; And give Him no rest until He makes Jerusalem a praise in the earth [at Jesus’ return]”. (Isa. 62:6-7, NAS)
https://ihopeg.org/isaiah62-fast _________________ Mike
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| 2023/10/10 9:27 | Profile | ESchaible Member
Joined: 2023/6/24 Posts: 548
| Re: | | AbideInHim,
"you do not understand the purpose of the Isaiah 62 fast"
You're correct, I made that pretty clear actually. But it seems neither do you... what is the purpose?
Before you just requote Isaiah 62, please tell me what it means to you, because that's the actual request in the praying, not the quoted scripture.
To reiterate my initial question:
What exactly were people fasting and praying to accomplish? I saw these calls to public fasting and prayer (the correctness and theology of the public fast aside). I never saw what it was for. The point of prayer is the answer, so what exactly was the request?
TMK, I don't subscribe to relativism regarding prophecy. I cannot be sure, but the Holy Spirit can be, and I say with Paul, "I think I too have the Holy Spirit".
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| 2023/10/10 11:00 | Profile | Lysa Member
Joined: 2008/10/25 Posts: 3699 East TN for now!
| Re: | | "you do not understand the purpose of the Isaiah 62 fast"
You're correct, I made that pretty clear actually. But it seems neither are you... what is the purpose? //////////////////////////////
Did you click on Mike's link to it?
21 Days / 24/7 Fasting and Prayer (The Purpose:) God's Purposes for Israel
Click on the link, brother and read all about it. _________________ Lisa
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| 2023/10/10 11:24 | Profile | deogloria Member
Joined: 2020/2/12 Posts: 393
| Re: | | Re: something isn’t right …(JFW)
Even some Israelis have come to the same conclusion, they don't believe everything anymore what their own government is telling them. After a bit more reading I believe the initial Hamas attack could well have been a new "Pearl Harbor" and grow into something bigger and quite serious. For a prominent US politician to tell Israel: "finish them" is a call for genocide. Lord help us !
Maranatha - may the Lord come soon !
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| 2023/10/10 12:53 | Profile | docs Member
Joined: 2006/9/16 Posts: 2753
| Re: A Costly Indifference | | "Of all the competing views, the one that most insults and slights the sacred trust of the canon, and the Reformed doctrine of the perspicuity of scripture, is the lazy indifference that comfortably proclaims that it is impossible to know much that is definite or certain when it comes to eschatology." _________________ David Winter
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